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This article should be deleted. An English enclyclopaedia should not bear a description of a Spanish word? Consequently when such term is used in a xenophobic way and article is full of unverified claims. Besides Spaniards are notoriously racist, gross, and are just an extension of Latin America which is why I don't understand why they would be so mean among themselves.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.53.219 (talk) 10:51, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Well I know this much about Spain: Better I be some "Suduca" then some Catalonian/Valenciano Charnego burning pictures of your so-called sovereigns trying to proclaim their respective dialects as separate languages: Is that enough know-how of Spain you useless seceding wannabe, must be PP-ero? See no one really gives a damn about Spain', always trying to assert itself for something it’s not: Even the UK, France, and other EU countries combat such an incredibly disgusting point of view. Rather than attacking the points raised, you lower yourself by merely attacking simple typographical errors, sad really. Assuming you support ABC, and most likely a fascist racist PP-ero, and probably catholic, I’ll try to lower my-self to your levels so that you understand: So quick to point the splinter in my eye but your abject failure to recognize the cancer in yours. Simply put your demurrer is offensive disguised only to point out typos. Big fucking deal. As for you, Dude, what the hell, you defend such derogatory term...asi no me metas gula, as far as anyone is concerned in the Anglophone world you're all "sudacas" yourselves, all of you in the same grouping and only European by default, that’s it -- for reasons of geography. Europe only begins at the Pyrenees, but I digress.... My point is: make nice with “Suducas” they are your only friends outside of Spain when no else will bother to converse or deal with you in Castellano, because your unavailing point that South American/Hispanoamericanos, etc immigrants to Spain are dangerous, and that it's reasonable to be biased against them is more fallacious than any purported iliteracy you wish to point out. That's not what this article is about,besides, your own English could still use some significant rewriting, your sentence are but mere fragments: See Below
First of all let me tell you that you should learn English,(; -sic) you can not (sic.-spelling) say "is joke" but "is a joke", second, conservaive does not exist, the correct form is conservative, and more than that, obvoulsy... what is that?? You have 3 mistakes in only one sentence. I prefer not to continue... (Fragments and Incomplete sentences, wrong punctuation) Appart (sic.-spelling) from your lack of english (sic.-Cap.) knowledge, you do not know anything about Spain. ABC is not a fascist newspaper, i (sic.-cap)guess you are the one who hasn´t (sic. wrong verb, to do -ie 'doesn't', you think in your valenciano dialect of spanish) any brain cell in your head. First go to school to learn English, (and) then learn something about Spain before telling stupid things.... (Fragments and Incomplete sentences, wrong punctuation)
What was that about going to school?
I do know this, the racist analfabeto Valenciano who wrote this garbage reaffirms my point that he or she is extraordinarily ignorant, a coward, and fails to articulate any intelligible point choosing to focus on general dicta of orthography, sad really.
First of all let me tell you that you should learn English, you can not say "is joke" but "is a joke", second, conservaive does not exist, the correct form is conservative, and more than that, obvoulsy... what is that?? You have 3 mistakes in only one sentence. I prefer not to continue...
Appart from your lack of english knowledge, you do not know anything about Spain. ABC is not a fascist newspaper, i guess you are the one who hasn´t any brain cell in your head. First go to school to learn English, then learn something about Spain before telling stupid things.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.120.66.85 (talk) 12:25, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah this article is a joke and should be in English, not citing excerpts from ABC, Spain, a conservative fascist newspaper, and whoever did change it, obviously has no clue, much less any dominion of the English language, or any brain cells and thus fails: • To articulate any plausible or understandable grounds to support such conclusions • cites no applicable law, statute or other authority only referring to general dicta in making gargantuan leaps of how the "sudacas" somehow ruin precious Spanish society • to raise any issues of fact You Spaniards are extraordinarily ignorant, and fail to articulate any intelligible point of view, and thus not a real priority, best part is the rest of the world, and those in the Anglophone world, or anyone else you matters, consider you Spanish "sudacas" or "dirty Mexicans" themselves. Poetic justice.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.81.30.40 (talk) 19:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
♦I'm from Barcelona, not from Madrid, but I seriously disagree with this part on the introduction:
"Nowadays the so called "sudacas" or people from Latin America are more than 60 % in some neighbourhoods in Madrid, which has provoked hundreds of riots, like in Alcorcón"
About the stadistic data, I cannot provide any source but I think it just can't be. It would be more clear if there was a quotation confirming this data.
It would be also good to add a quotation about these "hundreds of riots". Alcorcón episode has been shown in the media as the first racial bands massive riot, but there are serious criticisms about the real background of the conflict, how media shaped the events to a "racial riot" as shown on american (US) films, and the political use by spanish nazi and xenophobic groups of these events news as propaganda.
A couple of links about this topic (in spanish, of course) [1] [2]
Looking at the spanish article, there is no reference to this topic, so, unless quotation, wouldn't it be better removing the second pargraph?
thanks great job
87.223.254.1 16:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Pues lo borras y se acba el problema amigo catalán. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.121.147.130 (talk) 19:29, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 20 minutos poll
I've removed this text... there is simply no way an online poll can be used as a reliable source. I point you to the disclaimer at the bottom of the poll, specifically "Esta encuesta no es científica y sólo refleja la opinión de aquellos lectores que han elegido participar." Even with my fairly tepid understanding of español, I can tell you this that means this poll isn't statistically reliable.--Isotope23 talk 12:44, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- And beyond the question of whether it's a reliable poll is the question of whether it would be appropriate for this article even if it were. What does people's feelings about immigration in general have to do with explaining the history and usage of this term? Not much, in my opinion, unless you're just trying to make a rather biased point to the effect that people are right to use racial slurs because immigration is bad, and that's not the kind of edits that meet the neutral point of view policy. -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed... beyond that, the latest poll added (and reverted by Merope (talk · contribs)) was more scientific, but the results were completely mis-portrayed in the text that was added. What it actually said was very, very different than the text it was supposedly supporting.--Isotope23 talk 15:27, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] External links
Okay, I actually do speak a little Spanish. Enough to see that most of the external links in this article are not to articles about the slur, "sudaca." In fact, they seemed to be chosen mostly to make the point that South American immigrants to Spain are dangerous, and that it's reasonable to be biased against them. That's not what this article is about, so I removed all the articles that weren't about the subject. The article could still use some significant rewriting. -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Tags
The large amount of content that has been added here needs citations from reliable sources. Otherwise this is mostly original research. This article also could use some focus on the actual term itself rather than a discussion of sociological factors. This is an article about the term "Sudaca", and its meanings/usage... not a general article on Spanish xenophobia.--Isotope23 talk 15:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I do not want to spend my time with you. Go with girls more often and get out of your computer for a while nerd. First you say Im catalan valenciano, later follower of the pp, you watch too much tv.
Go to the bathroom with your newspaper and relax for a while. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.120.102.89 (talk) 15:45, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Delete
I think this article should be deleted. Why in an English enclyclopaedia should appear a description of a Spanish word? Moreover when the term is used in a xenophobic way and article is full of unverified claims.--Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 13:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
- I reverted back to the last version not full of original research. I've no opinion on deletion, but you can always list it for AFD if you think it doesn't belong here (though I will say that en.wiki does cover quite a bit of content that isn't necessarily English derived or of general interest to most English only speakers; this is just being comprehensive).--Isotope23 talk 14:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I know about AFD, but first I'd like to know the opinion of the other people...--Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 13:16, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
