Talk:Subnotebook

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The picture does not really illustrate the size well. A hand, ruler, or something for size refrence would help.

Also, there is way too much Sony bias. I think the Toshiba Libretto efforts deserve some more text. And, totally forgotten here, and by me, is the name of the Libretto predecessor manufactured by HP, which ran a DOS shell, and which was ultra-sexy at the time. A noprize to the first person to name it. Hey, for that matter why not start this article with the Timex Sinclair TX-100?? Hmmm?

Oh and, yes, a palmtop is not a subnotebook, but before there were palmtops there were computers designed to be very small and function much like the current subnotebook, and therfore should be included in a history of subnotebooks.

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[edit] Palmax PD-1000

The Palmax PD-1000 published around 1999 could also be mentioned. I quote the specs: Cyrix MediaGX Pentium-level CPU running at 166Mhz, 32MB EDO DRAM, 6.1" TFT Display, 1.6/2.1GB Fast HDD. Had/has a touch screen and stylus pen. 83.77.237.184 (talk) 18:10, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Asus S200N

Should you mention the spectacular Asus S200N ?

P4M 1.0 Ghz, 8" screen, 60Gb, , WiFi, 900 grams or approx. Released in 2004, it's still a powerful toy.

I'm writing this from it ;)

[edit] MacBook Air

I know some purist may not consider it on this category, even dough it weights as much as some examples listed. Anyway it seems weird not to have a mention either on the page or discussions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ernipiggy (talk • contribs) 07:06, 3 February 2008 (UTC) I would count it seeing as it fits the smaller fit and runs normal OS I would also add the IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad X300 ( thiner than the MacBook Air) yet contains a DvD burner 3 USB ports 1 ethernet port and wirless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.70.31.100 (talk) 03:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ultraportable redirect

When a user searches for ultraportable, they are redirected to this page (subnotebook). Though this quote at the beginning of the entry makes it clear they are not looking at a page that applies to their search:

Subnotebooks are smaller than an A4 paper notebook (8.27 x 11.69 inches), but larger than handheld computer computers and ultraportables.

I think it's confusing for readers. Either subnotebooks and ultraportables are the same thing, should be on the same page (at it currently is), and this sentence should be corrected, or ultraportables should have their own page. Any thoughts?

Ultraportables should have their own page, as they are between palm-sized and subnotebooks. Vulcan FlipStart is one such example. Ultraportables are good for people who travel and need to carry around as little weight as possible, but who require full OS functions of a regular computer. I am thinking that those people also need to carry around lots of accessories with these. In case of a FlipStart, one would need a USB hub, a USB keyboard, a USB pointing device for normal operation and a USB memory stick to exchange data (or add drivers or somesuch) and an adapter that switches off battery usage while plugged in. -Mardus 21:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
i agree that ultraportables should have their own page. subnotebooks are SUB-notebooks, in other words, less than. the palm foleo and that sony thing in the picture aren't full laptop computers. they are SUB. ultraportables are the smallest fully functioning laptops available. for example, the dell x1 isn't in the same class as the palm foleo. 66.131.22.154 01:31, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I came to the talk page to make essentially the same observation, and there's still no fix to this. Hmm... --24.23.70.74 (talk) 21:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Measurements

Most of the measurements in the main article are in Imperial units while the measurements in the table are in Metric. This makes it very hard to contrast the different models being discussed.

Shouldn't they all be translated into Metric units with the Imperial units kept in parantheses? A column of Imperial units could also be added to the table. Nameless Voice 12:33, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, I suggest replacing the column heading "mass" with "weight" instead. Yes, I know they're not the same thing in physics terms, but for everyday purposes they are, and most people want to know how much a notebook weighs (so that's what they search for), not how much mass it has. Tt 225 (talk) 10:27, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sharp Actius MM10

I found this blog (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9850943-7.html) that claims that Air isn't the thinnest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Apontas (talk • contribs) 18:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Psion

Do you remember Psion? A small laptop without harddrive. They had different models and the biggest one had a colourscreen. I think Psion belong to this history too.ARKK (talk) 20:32, 17 March 2008 (UTC) Here is the history: http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/historyofpsion.htm ARKK (talk) 20:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Price

The notebooks are mostly purchased for portability, however, some cost $2000, and others cost $500. Would it be a good idea to ass ~price ranges next to the listing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zarti (talk • contribs) 14:29, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


I agree completley. Add a price, or at least, a price range. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.212.193.29 (talk) 13:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

doneTMV943 (talk) 06:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Picture?

Can someone explain to me why the Nintendo DS is pictured as part of this article? While it does have WiFi and a touchscreen, the DS does not support many of the other functions of a computer. It's a gaming handheld, not a laptop. Just because it folds up does not make it a laptop. In fact, I have never seen anyone put a DS on their lap to use it. By the same logic, we could say a smartphone, say a Blackberry, Treo, or even an iPhone fits the definition of subnotebook. The only conceivable way that this would make sense would be to include the DS for scale, but I think that it might be more effective to include a ruler for scale if the reader does not know the size of a DS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.190.151.109 (talk) 04:28, 1 June 2008 (UTC)