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[edit] Sub Zero (Mortal Kombat) and Glacius (Killer Instinct) Similarities

Has anyone noticed the similarities between these two fighting game characters? For example, Glacius had frozen arms before Sub Zero did, their arm design is very similar. In Deadly Alliance and Deception, Sub Zero has a sliding shoulder tackle technique called "Cold Shoulder", this technique (including it's name) was first used by Glacius in Killer Instinct for the SNES.

I seem to recall MK coming out before KI, so while some later designs may be somewhat reminiscient, SZ definitely is not based upon Glacius. Pointing out similarities means nothing without a citation from a designer as to the intent, because most VG characters are stock anyways (not to mention it's OR).

I wasn't trying to do original research on this matter, I just wanted to know if anyone else has noticed these similarities. The original Killer Instinct 2 arcade machine had Midway (MK's company) as it's sponser so it may have been possible that the creators of both games knew eachother and discussed character designs but this is just a theory of mine. Another note is that one of Midway's forum administrators calls himself Cinder (see Khameleon, read the "Possible Future" section), the name of one of Killer Instinct's characters.

As I mentioned on Blaze's talk page, someone's screenname is hardly a connection. Even if Cinder himself did take it from the KI character, that is a personal choice, not some indication that the MK and KI universes pull from each other. EVula 19:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Glacius = Sub-Zero. XD -Mkrox —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkrox (talk • contribs) 22:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elder Sub-Zero information merged with Noob Saibot

Goes without saying that info about one character should be relegated to one character's article. This thing was ridiculously long.

As well, I've removed the paragraphs concerning Sub-Zero's allies and enemies, as they were essentially re-tellings of those characters' bios.

I think this thing still needs work though. It's merged all the MK: Deception endings into the storyline section as if they're confirmed. That needs to be fixed.Shadaloo 08:16, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

This is a perfect example of the fundamental flaw behind the in-universe perspective. First of all, the old Sub-Zero and Noob Saibot were originally separate characters until Deception came and retconned Noob Saibot's origins. These articles should reflect on that fact instead of attempting on creating a fictional biography of the character. Jonny2x4 18:03, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Mortal Kombat Malibu comics

It's a firmly established fact that the only things other than the games that's part of the canon storyline are the MKI, II and 4 comics created by John Tobias. The Malibu comics such as Blood & Thunder, Battlewave, etc. are not. Who the hell added that stuff? Shadaloo 18:00, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 5 and 6??

What on OUTWORLD are we basing this "Sub-Zero V" and "Sub-Zero VI" nonsense on? Now, I will admit I haven't played ALL the games, but the ones I've played give no reference whatsoever to a preceding four Sub-Zeroes. I've not seen such a reference in the movies or the episodes of Conquest I've seen. However, I should point out that the movies, Conquest and Defenders of the Realm are NOT canon, as you'll note from the fact they ignore and change one hell of a lot.

Is this something taken from the games or the comic books? If it is and someone can provide proof of this then I will gladly accept it as a worthy inclusion. If it's just fancruft, it has no place here. I have to say, I've searched around and I can't find anything concrete. Please, I'm actually begging to be proven wrong here, I don't WANT to delete something if it's right! But fancruft does not belong on Wikipedia and I'll gladly remove the V and VI references if there's nothing official behind them. I'll equally gladly ensure that we at least keep "Sub-Zero the Elder" and "Sub-Zero the Younger" or "Sub-Zero (former)" and "Sub-Zero (current)" because I do believe it's still necessary to differentiate between the two characters.

All I'm asking is for someone to cite the source that "we know" there have been 4 other Sub-Zeroes.

Someone please prevent my head from exploding! --L T Dangerous 21:17, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

They're just nicknames given by the fans.
I've just removed all such references. I might go back later and add a section about the notion that they are #5 and #6. It may be fancruft, but it's very popular and widespread fancruft so it at least needs acknowledging, just showing it's untrue. --L T Dangerous 18:48, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
It's not just fancruft. The information about them being fifth and sixth generation Lin Kuei comes from the Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero instruction manual. Even if it's the only mention, it isn't disproven by anything else in the games. Shadaloo 17:52, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
If someone had told me that before I'd not have altered the whole article. I don't have the game and couldn't find anything about it elsewhere, so I wasn't aware of the manual's contents. --L T Dangerous 17:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Those nicknames are based on the information which is in both MKM instruction manual and MKM official website. Dmr2hn1 17:05 08.05.2007

[edit] Size of page

This page is getting really rather long. Does anyone else feel it should be split into "Sub-Zero (elder)" and "Sub-Zero (younger)"? --L T Dangerous 18:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


I think it's absurd that this much information exists about a video game character, and one from a fighting game none the less.63.226.218.11 03:49, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

The character has existed for over a decade and has a vast backstory. Just because you don't like it doesn't give you the right to be so parochial and close-minded. --L T Dangerous 17:12, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I think perhaps Elder Sub-Zero should be merged with Noob Saibot. Shadaloo 18:00, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Kori Frost?"

Where does it ever, ever, ever say that Sub-Zero the elder's real name is Kori Frost? Jeff Silvers 03:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Or Kory Frost, which it appears to have been changed to. Jeff Silvers 05:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Nowhere. That's garbage. Fixed. Shadaloo 07:43, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
And fixed again. Can't this be reported as vandalism? Shadaloo 21:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First Image?

The first image on the side of the page is from Shaolin Monks right? Isn't that Subzero the one that becomes Noob? And if so shouldn't it be moved to his page? Merc25 1:18, 15 April 2006

Nope, that is the current Sub-Zero. Noob is the one featured in MK1.--Agent Aquamarine 22:59, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation

This should be made part of a disambiguation page, as Sub-Zero is also the brand name used for home appliances made by the corporation of the same name.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.86.234.153 (talk • contribs)

If there are articles written about them, then I'll make it into a disambig page. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense to create a disambig page for a single term. Virogtheconq 23:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
There are articles about them. Unclear why this should be the main page for sub zero. Disambig makes sense. Justinpwilsonadvocate 15:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia Problems

This stated twice

  • Sub-Zero is the only character to appear in every single main Mortal Kombat title, whether it be the younger or older of the brothers. Excluding Mortal Kombat: Special Forces, one of the two Sub-Zero's appears in all other Mortal Kombat titles.

Also, this sentence is misleading. It is unknown what will be revealed in Armageddon, yet the article uses will.

  • Fans have often speculated that Frost may be Sub-Zero's sister who he was taken from as a child, as they are both Cryomancers and no other mention of his sister has been made. Whether or not this is true will be revealed in the upcoming Mortal Kombat: Armageddon.

I'm not going to change anything, but thought I would put it in discussion.


  • What the hell are you going on about? Sub-Zero IS going to be in Armageddon because every Mortal Kombat character that has ever thrown a punch, even meat, is gonna' be in the game. To think that Sub' isn't gonna' be in it would mean you are either naive, misinformed, new to Mortal Kombat or just stupid.

As for the Frost bit, that is only fan speculation, no one has said that Frost is Sub's sister, it is just theories. --The Haunted Angel 23:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I didn;t mean the part about her being his sister, I meant that it says it will be revealed in Mortal Kombat: Armegeddon. It needs to be reworded because it is unknown if if she is or isn't his sister will actually be revealed. 24.91.155.84 02:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Just a quick question is Sub-zero a high tier or low tier character

  • He is top tier in MK: Armageddon, low tier in MK: Deadly alliance and mid-low tier in MK: Deception.
    • No he isn't. The strategy guide lists him as low-tier in MKA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.59.100.206 (talk) 08:37, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Trivia and Pics

Just uploaded an excellent pic of Sub-Zero and some trivia info about him.

[edit] Should information about his movie appearance be here instead of in the Noob article?

I know that in the games, the original Sub-zero is actually Noob Saibot. But the movie changes the storyline, and it doesn't mention Sub being Noob. So shouldn't the movie info be here instead of in the Noob article? For people who don't play the games often, and want to look up the movie Sub, they will be looking here. They won't think to look in the Noob article.MentosC 22:47, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference for Sub-Zero's parents

Where does it say that Sub-Zero's mother was caucasion and his father secretly took his sons to China against her will? Is this fan fiction or is it stated somewhere I haven't looked?

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