User talk:Stustu12

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Welcome!

Hello, Stustu12, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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[edit] Kazakhstan pictures

I hope you find time to upload some of your Kazakhstan pictures to Wiki. The best way to do so is to create an account at Wikimedia Commons - pictures uploaded there can be accessed on all Wikimedia Foundation wiki's, whereas pictures uploaded to a specific wiki (like English Wikipedia we are on now) can be accessed only at this wiki.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:53, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lawrence Shulman

If you are still around, the article needs some improvements. DGG 23:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Dgsna logo.png

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[edit] Speedy deletion of DGSNA

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FYI, the article is now at Digital Government Society of North America and DGSNA is just a redirect.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:20, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conflict of interest

If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:

  1. editing articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with,
  2. participating in deletion discussions about articles related to your organization or its competitors,
  3. linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam);
    and you must always:
  4. avoid breaching relevant policies and guidelines, especially neutral point of view, verifiability, and autobiography.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have conflict of interest, please see Wikipedia:Business' FAQ. For more details about what constitutes a conflict of interest, please see Wikipedia:Conflict of Interest. Thank you. [1] [2] [3] --Ronz 18:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Please also read WP:EL, WP:SPAM, and WP:NOT#LINK regarding your recent edits. --Ronz 18:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I disagree. Those links are useful in related contexts.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 19:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
The issue here is not if the links are useful, but if there's a WP:COI. --Ronz 19:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Discussion started at Talk:Qualitative_research#Stustu12.27s_external_links.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 19:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Controversy"

Copied from Talk:Qualitative research: "As a fairly inexperienced wikipedian, I can assure you this 'controversy' is a deterrent to future engagement. My real curiosity is why the other external links are considered legitimate? User:stustu12 —Preceding comment was added at 02:53, 5 December 2007 (UTC)"

I've copied your comments to here for a more private discussion than would happen on the article talk page. I hope you don't mind.
First I'm very sorry how this situation has evolved. For me this started as just a very simple and straightforward case of spamming with a conflict of interest. Piotrus intervened for you without understanding the issues at all in a manner that's potentially embarrassing for you (and him).
I think Wp:spam#How_not_to_be_a_spammer pretty clearly explains the situation. My concern has nothing to do with the quality of the links, but how you added them. Piotrus apparently doesn't understand this.
As far as my dispute with you is concerned, that's about all there is to it. I'm happy to explain the situation further, answer your questions, or point out good ways to get others involved to help. I recommend you follow the suggestions in WP:COI closely, especially in using the talk pages when you want information added where you have a coi.
As for Piotrus, because he's persisting in claiming these problems do not exist, I feel it's best if I take his complaints to a forum where they'll be handled by experts in these matters. I don't think you need to be involved, though others will probably ask for your response to the suggestions in WP:COI. --Ronz (talk) 03:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Moved from Talk:Ronz: You are certainly strident. is it Wikipedian philosophy to scorn all compromise in this manner? Please cite the page source for this if so. Are all Wikipedia rules clearcut? If so, please site the page that states the rules are not subject to interpretation, discussion and collaborative problem-solving. Is COI the most clearcut of all wikipedia guidelines, or is there some debate about this? Finally, your history of interactions with 'violators' is anything but cordial; it has an unmistakably imperious tone. Please cite the Wikipedia guideline or principle that enables you to adopt this tone with impunity. Frankly, you give the collaborative enterprise an awkward and offputting feel by behaving like a general before his troops instead of a peer in a great collaborative effort. User:Stustu12 5 December 2007

I'm sorry that you've responded in such a way. I've moved your comments here for discussion. In general, I ask that comments on my talk page follow WP:TALK.
I've taken a great deal of time to explain the situation to you, and to differentiate what you've done with what Piotrus has done. If you're unhappy with it, then it's time to get others involved. --Ronz (talk) 22:55, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Ronz, I did remind you earlier about WP:AGF and WP:BITE. As the saying goes, you reap what you have saw. Now, both of you, please take some time for WP:TEA. There is no need to continue this any further (per WP:COOL and WP:MASTODONS and so on). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
And I've taken the issue to Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#User:Stustu12. --Ronz (talk) 23:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I've also started a discussion here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#Need_additional_opinions_for_spam.2Fcoi_case --Ronz (talk) 00:24, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Hi. Your contributions have caused some controversy, because you might have gone a bit beyond the rules. I know you acted in good faith. Also, personally, I believe the links you provided are very valuable. Perhaps putting a couple simultaneously was not the best idea, but I understand you're new to Wikipedia (gosh, you don't want to know what mistakes I did when I was a beginner!). Don't get deterred by this "controversy" and please, do contribute to Wiki - it is becoming the supreme global encyclopedia thanks to the experienced users like you! Do remember, though, that you need to follow the Wikipedia rules - they are meant to protect Wikipedia from advertising and promoting particular products, and some users are more sensible to these rules than others. I'm sure you'll be able to make quality contributions without a problem once you learn about the policies! Pundit|utter 01:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I am sure you will be glad to know that at least five users have so far ended up supporting your side. While we should be careful to follow up COI/SPAM/EL policies (and I would highly advise taking one's time to read them), rest assured than we welcome contributions from scholars like yourself. Hope to see you around, -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Journal of Information Technology & Politics

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Journal of Information Technology & Politics, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add {{db-author}} to the top of Journal of Information Technology & Politics. DGG (talk) 19:50, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd suggest userfying the page until such time it is published and becomes notable. PS. If, however, the journal has a previous history - as noted at User_talk:DGG#JITP - I'd suggest keeping it (and expanding, as suggested).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:17, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
I suggest speedy deletion; it is the wikipedian way to get rid of content and users former user:stustu12
you need to understand that we do get a great deal of real spam, even from universities, and most of the time suspicions are all too justified. But the wikipedian way was designed by people who think WP:BRD is a polite way to do things, so any civilized person venturing here just needs to put on armour. DGG (talk) 00:05, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
On balance, I think the article is supportable (but needs to be expanded further), so --I've removed the PROD tag. DGG (talk)

I have prodded many articles and have several of mine's prodded. The solution is usually simple: expand the article to prove it's notable. If it cannot satisfy notability criteria, merge it into an existing larger article as a subsection. Giving up is unfortunately the worst choice, as it often mean that the article will not be saved.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 06:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please don't go

Hello Stustu12, I'm a rather new user myself, and I noticed your comment from your last edit. Please don't leave us; I would feel upset if I was in your position as well, and you're a very valuable editor. It's unfortunate this has happened, but there's so much more to do here, and if you stay, you can always edit in other areas. How about it? Redrocketboy 23:30, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


  • I join: please, stay. Without experts like you Wikipedia will never develop. The process of writing articles in a democratic environment is definitely stressful and, occasionally, irritating. Still, it is definitely worth the effort. Many scholars find it also rewarding that they can persuade other wiki-peers basing on the argumentation and truth themselves, rather than drawing on their formal authority. I strongly encourage you to edit Wiki and extend the warmest invitation to keep up the good work, in spire of conflicts, which are natural and will always occur. Pundit|utter 23:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


Hi - I was told you might be leaving? I sincerely hope you don't - you've been with us for 2 days shy of a year, and you've one of the few people who actually contribute valid, usable content to our project, as opposed to just 'tidying and cleaning' like many of us do! I'm an administrator here, with a fair bit of experience - if I can be of any help at all, please, let me know Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 23:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merry XMAS

User:Piotrus and friends, in the midsts of Wigilia, wish you to enjoy this Christmas Eve!
User:Piotrus and friends, in the midsts of Wigilia, wish you to enjoy this Christmas Eve!

[edit] Image:DSC00732.JPG listed for deletion

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