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Hi!

Hello! I noticed that you were from Northern Ireland . . . there is a discussion at the article John Fullerton that maybe you can comment on. The article is up for deletion. The creator of the article is claiming that it's subject is extremely notable in Northern Ireland, however we are unable to find proof through any research. Perhaps you could check out the article and comment? As someone from the region, you could offer some perspective. Thanks! — orioneight (talk) 00:47, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Orion, I've commented on the talk page. Thanks for asking my opinion! There's a Wikipedia:Irish Wikipedians' notice board, some users there might have more local knowledge than me. Stu 11:06, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

The Ulster Army Council and Nicky Kehoe

I took them from http://www.politics.ie/wiki, presuming they had similar guidelines to ourselves, and amended them only slightly. Of course, they may not have similar guidelines to us, or they may be more lax with them. I intend to find out. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, others could have done the same.

Lapsed Pacifist 10:29, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi LP. The two articles have been copied to politics.ie/wiki from the CAIN and the Sinn Fein websites respectively. Both of these sites are copyrighted. I have no experience of politics.ie, but they're obviously quite lax on copyright issues. If they had been written originally on politics.ie/wiki, then I presume there would be no problem at all in copying them from there to here. A quick Google search of part of the text of an article usually helps to see if it has been copied from anywhere. Cheers. Stu 12:29, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


Sound, I'll try the Google search in future. Ta.

Lapsed Pacifist 17:56, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I posted an alternative article on the Ulster Army Council in the temporary page space, on the 5th of Feb, so I was wondering what the situation is regarding this article.--Padraig3uk 09:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

It still hasn't been dealt with. These seems to be a pretty big backlog at the minute. Stu 09:01, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Lapsed Pacifist contacted me recently regarding the Nicky Kehoe article that he copied to wikipedia, from www.politics.ie/wiki it was flagged as a copyright violation and removed, I have a email from Sinn Fein regarding use of information from their website as Follows:

Hi Padraig,

Any information on our website www.sinnfein.ie is in the public domain and its contents can be reproduced.

Regards,

Sinn Féin Web Team

On 03/02/2006 23:43, "patrick" <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.com> wrote:


>> I'am a moderator on this wiki, http://politics.ie/wiki/, and I have been >> ask to enquire about the issue of copyright in regards to information >> used in the wiki, regarding Sinn Fein, or the party elected >> representatives, as alot of this info was obtained from the Sinn Fein >> website. >> >> So I would be grateful if you could let me know if its ok for us to use >> this info. >> >> Yours Thankfully. >> Padraig

I hope this will clear up any problems on that issue.--Padraig3uk 14:31, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Padraig, I have to admit to not knowing the copyright rules inside out, but I would presume that even though permission from Sinn Féin has been given (even though it states "© Copyright 2006" on their website), copying articles in their entirety from other sites isn't really on. Stu 14:50, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

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It is used at [1] and [2]. Although I don't think either of these are the original source. It seems to be a photo provided to these websites as a promotional shot as part of a lecture tour, hence my reason for uploading it under that tag. Go ahead and delete it. Stu 14:38, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Source has been added by User:Quiddity. Stu 14:53, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

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Hi Longhair. That was uploaded by mistake actually, I should have done something about it at the time! Its not even linked to any pages, so it can be deleted. Stu 16:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Dave McAuley

Hi, On the page that you created, you say that he is a member of the category:Irish Olympic Medalists. This currently refers to people who won medals for the Republic. I don't think he did. Can you take a look again. -Rye1967 01:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for that. Dunno why I added those categories! I've had real trouble getting information on him, his heyday was a bit before my time. No idea as to what his amateur record was for example. Stu 09:08, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


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Source added. Stu 11:05, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Ah, the source indicates that its not a {{tv-screenshot}}. It's a photograph and the copyright is held by Getty Images. Agnte 11:20, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Tag changed. Stu 12:13, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
You certainly know your stuff. Lets hope we get a win at Stamford Bridge on sunday. Agnte 19:19, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Robbed! I lived in St Kilda for a while by the way. Stu 08:48, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:Inuse

If you want to show your activly working on an article (such as Charles Lanyon currently) the template {{inuse}} is ideal for this. Just put it at the top of the article. Djegan 12:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Cheers! Very handy. Stu 12:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Logos on user page

Fair use images are not allowed outside of the main namespace (WP:FUC). Please remove copyrighted logos from your user page. Thanks. ed g2s • talk 22:46, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


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Source added. Thanks, Stu 09:02, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Northern Irish Wikipedians' notice board

Hi Stu. I added your template to the notice board, and credited yourself - I hope you don't mind. The icon OK for it..? --Mal 14:28, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Mal, yeah that's fine. The icon's great! Stu 09:03, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Great work on Spide Stu - I had never associated the tartan with the term. Ya learn something new every day! :) I was wondering though.. do you think "The majority of spides in Northern Ireland will at some point dabble in sectarian behaviour" is accurate or fair? --Mal 13:46, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Cheers Mal! The last two paragraphs were wildly inappropriate. But probably true! I've changed it now so it's less POV. Stu 14:27, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey again Stu. There seems to be a current campaign by a couple of users to delete any reference to "Northern Irish" throughout the 'pedia. I'd like to know your take on the thing. It seems to me that Northern Irish sports stars, film stars, food.. whatever category.. are all inconsistantly named with reference to identical categories for English, Scottish and Welsh people/things. I'd like to know your thoughts on the matter. Apparently a vote was taken back in September. Concensus was reached with two votes in favour of renaming every article regarding Northern Irish people/things to "people/things from/in/of Northern Ireland"... and 1 vote against. I was not aware of this debate at the time (and I wasn't particularly active in wikipedia then either), so I created articles and categories which mention "Northern Irish" in good faith.

If you've got the time, please have a look at Category:Northern_Irish_Formula_One_drivers and the link in the wiki notification box there, and the announcement in the NI Wikipedians' notice board. Cheers. --Mal 10:58, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Northern Ireland portal

By the way - I've created the Northern Ireland Portal now. I'd appreciate any help you can offer in the maintenance and polishing of it. Any pictures of the day/articles of the day etc that you'd propose..? --Mal 11:02, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Alright Mal. Good work on the portal. Portal's aren't something I've used on Wiki a lot. I'll take a look at the other UK ones and see if I can come up with anything. I agree with you on the Northern Irish thing. That's what I call myself and can't honestly see why it's a contentious term. I've seen a few of the things you're talking about, but the concensus seems to be "Northern Ireland" rather than "Northern Irish". Unfortunately I think you're fighting a losing battle! Stu ’Bout ye! 13:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Not a losing battle with people like yourself onboard mate. :) And I'd like everyone from Northern Ireland to have a say too - the decision seems to have been made by mostly non-Northern Irish folk.. and that's still the case regarding this latest 'battle'.

Thanks for the Van article there - it seems to have screwed up the page a bit, so I'm going to remove it and try to add it back again (so don't be alarmed if you happen to look and its no longer there!). --Mal 14:41, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Aye I made a right pig's ear of it. More research into how those things work I think! Stu ’Bout ye! 14:44, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Tell you what, it was only a missing /div after the photo tbh! Fixed now though. Easy to miss.. I hate when there are <returns> that you can't see in an article, and you can't for the life of you see what the hell you'd done that was different to the text you copied it from!! Look out for hidden formatting. --Mal 14:53, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Stu I noticed you've done some work on (created?) the McHugh's bar article. Fancy working on Grace Neill's in Donaghadee? I can't find an article for it (though I'm going to look up Donaghadee to see if its mentioned). I know its the oldest licenced pub in Ireland (the world?), and I think it might be the smallest pub in NI, though I'm not sure about that. Hang on - its a section in the Donaghadee article. I reckon, being the oldest pub in Ireland, it is notable enough to warrant its own article, so I'm going to create the article and make the necessary ammendments, including categorisation. Gimmie a hand if you have the time/inclination. Cheers. (PS. check out the cheesey video on the Grace Neill's website lol) --Mal 16:52, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I started the McHugh's one. Good work on the Grace Neill's one. I'll see if there is anything I can add. There are a few other pubs that I think deserve articles. The Nothern Whig for one, which I'm going to try to write this week. It has the makings of a good article - lots of history with it being a gentleman's club (frequented by the United Irishmen), followed by the publication and now the current bar. The Olde Inn in Crawfordsburn probably deserves a page too, being only 3 years younger than Grace Neill's! Stu ’Bout ye! 10:28, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Samson and Goliath and other assorted stuff...

Hey Stu. I hadn't realised that it was your good self who created the S&G article. I would have expected it to have been created a long time before you did it, and I was surprised that it hadn't tbh. Good going. :) A couple of questions about S&G: 1) Were they not, at least at one point, the biggest cranes in Europe or the world or something? 2) One is bigger than the other, right..?

Also, I see you have articles pending - I wonder if you'd like to add them to the NI Wikipedians notice board either now, or at some point if you think you need help in polishing them up. I think articles need advertising, and the busier the NI Wikis' board is, the more possibility that we'll attract other people who are interested in helping with NI-related articles. Let me know your thoughts. --Mal 03:06, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mal. I was surprised too! I was equally surprised when I realised The Crown and the City Hall didn't have articles.
Those are good questions, I'll see what I can dig up. Although I had trouble finding detailed information when I was writing the article, I don't have any books on them or anything, all the information was gleaned from websites. Samson's bigger, I've updated that bit now. Stu ’Bout ye! 09:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Willard Grant Conspiracy

Stu

Thanks for the updates to the Braniel article, written by me under another username.

I was surprised to see your page on the Willard Grant Conspiracy. I live in Seattle now and I'm a big fan of the Transmissionary Six, Paul Austin's band with Terri Moeller of the Walkabouts.

SuaveGav 21:14, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Gav, yeah they are a quality band. Haven't managed to pick up the new album yet - HMV is a bit slow here! Must check out some of the Walkabouts' stuff too. I used to hang around the Braniel when I was a kid. Stu ’Bout ye! 08:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

UK Olympic team?

Have you seen this?

--Mais oui! 22:40, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that Mais Oui!, I'm going to place a notice about it on the Northern Irish Wikipedians' notice board. Stu ’Bout ye! 09:34, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Offensive user page

Stu, you *might* want to take a look at this discussion on my talk page about a certain user's page, and follow the links that are in the discussion. I've put a complaint in since I happened on the person's user page.

Hi Mal, yeah I saw that yesterday. I've never been sure where the right place to raise these things is. I've complained about two usernames at: Wikipedia talk:Bureaucrats#Inappropriate username. I doubt much will be done about it though! Stu ’Bout ye! 08:53, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:Lord's Pavillion.jpg

Hello Stu,

I have tagged the above image as having no source. This means that it's in danger of being deleted.

All images on Wikipedia are obliged to specify a source as well as a copyright tag. This allows other users to verify whether the copyright claims are accurate. Without a source, an image can be deleted after a week.

I also notice that many of your other images don't have sources. I haven't been through them and tagged them at this time, because I'm just working on cricket images at the moment. But they really all need sources.

Thanks very much,

Stephen Turner (Talk) 14:03, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, for that Stephen. Yeah I know they need a source, been on my to do list for a while. I've changed the tag and added a source for that one. It's from [3]. Photos from this site are licenced under Creative Commons, there's a few other cricket images you might find useful. Stu ’Bout ye! 08:11, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that, Stu. I corrected the licence because it is actually cc-by-sa-2.5, not cc-by-2.5. But that's still usable in Wikipedia — not all cc licences are, unfortunately[ 1 ], but this one is. Stephen Turner (Talk) 09:35, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Afd help request

Hello, I'm coming here from your help request from the talk page of Afd. I had a look at the article, and can see what happened. the template {{afd1}} is only for ther first nomination, so that's why it was linking to the original debate. WP:AFD#How_to_list_pages_for_deletion does mention this (but it's in very small text, so easily missed!) For any further nomination, you need to use the template {{afdx}} as outlined in Template_talk:Afdx. So, in this case, to fix the problem, simply go back to the article in question, removed the template text that's in there now, and replace it with {{subst:AfDx|second}}, and then continue as normal. The link will now to be a new page, where you can paste in the {{afd2}} template, and finally the afd3 template on the main afd page, being sure that the pagename you enter here points to the new discussion (i.e. matches the name with the suffix you put in the original Afdx). Hope that helps, MartinRe 18:39, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Additional note: After you've created the discussion page, it's proabably a good idea to create a link to the original delete discussion at the top to give people commenting the background. For example:
The previous discussion, which resulted in 'No consensus' can be found here
Regards, MartinRe 19:02, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Martin, thanks for your help! Managed to list it eventualy. And mentioned the previous AfD. Stu ’Bout ye! 19:14, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

PIRA discussion

Hi Stu. Youmight be interested in reading the discussions I'm involved in on the PIRA talk page Talk:Provisional Irish Republican Army#What's a "terrorist" organization? and Talk:Provisional Irish Republican Army#The McCartney killing. Don't feel obliged to respond unless you feel I am in error with anything - I just thought it might make for an interesting read for you (presuming it doesn't make yer blood boil! .. consider yourself warned in that respect lol). Cheers, and happy Easter. --Mal 06:05, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Mal, I admire your patience and levelheadedness. Qualities I'm sadly lacking in sometimes! So I'm going to stay out of this one. Stu ’Bout ye! 10:23, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Greysteel

Hi Stu, about my main page: I changed my mind and put the page back, because I realised I was being a bit petulant. Thie thing is, this Greysteel disagreement is the fourth I've had this week with people, three of them on the Northern Ireland boards. All of these have basically and rapidly descended into flame wars, so when you heavily changed what I'd written without commenting on the changes or discussing them in the talk it seemed to be a case of: Oh God, here we go again! Thankyou though for being reasonable about it, that is the first time someone has been in a dispute like this in my experience, and I'm sure we'll work out a compromise. I will however probably be steering clear of the Northern Ireland articles in the near future.--Jackyd101 18:51, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Glad you changed your mind! Northern Ireland articles are basically a nightmare. If I wasn't from here I'd leave them well alone! Re: the Greysteel article, I'll leave a seperate message on its talk page. Stu ’Bout ye! 19:03, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Appreciate your mature discussion and compromise, its not often I see that here. I looked at some of your work on Wikipedia, and you're clearly a valuable contributor, so I realised your edits for what they were. If the lists bother people, then they can go, I just felt that they were pertinent to the topic under discussion. I will however be avoiding the Ireland topics from now on, cause I can't take the arguments. Nice to meet you, I'll see you around.--Jackyd101 02:53, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Stu, just had an idea about our disagreement earlier this week. Since the lists of names is a controversial issue, removing them might be a good idea to prevent continual arguments. However, a note could be put on the talk page explaining that they have been removed and why, as well as providing a link to the previous edit for those who are interested. Would this idea work better?--Jackyd101 18:02, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
I tried it out on Hyde Park and Regents Park Bombings, it seems to work fine.--Jackyd101 19:59, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Alright Jacky, good idea. One problem is that when talk pages get too long they are archived, so the link to the list of the dead might get lost unless a close eye is kept on it. You said on the Hyde Park page that the names have been removed in accordance with Wikipedia policy. Is this actually policy? Forgive me if I made it sound like it was! I don't think there is an official policy on this. My initial thoughts were just that it wasn't really appropriate. But a lot of pages have lists of victims and no one else seems to mind, so the general consensus would seem to be for it. Stu ’Bout ye! 07:54, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I've looked on lots of pages about both terrorist attacks and accidents, and the general consensus is that lists of victims are a) sometimes not POV, b) look like a memorial, c) it is impossible to treat all articles the same way, i.e. such a list would not be possible for the Holocaust so why should it be allowed here and d) in large incidents they tend to swallow the article itself, thus generally they are removed. If the link is placed in the See Also section or even other links sections on the main page then it won't get archived, so maybe it should be put there. --Jackyd101 17:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Belfast Botanic Gardens

Congratulations on some fine work in creating that article Stu. :) Great work. --Mal 16:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Cheers Mal, still needs work though! Bad habit of mine, starting an article then leaving it when it could still be improved. Do you know are there any Northern Ireland Featured Articles, haven't come across any myself. Stu ’Bout ye! 19:06, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Featured articles? I'm not sure. I've never seen any, apart from the article on Northern Ireland.. and I think that was only a 'good article' at one point in time (which is surprising!). Take a look at the NI Portal and notice board if you haven't already - I've changed the featured article there, and I've asked for help in choosing a featured bio. --Mal 19:13, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
We really need to get at least one to Featured article status. Would take a lot of work though! I read somewhere that there are about fifteen FAs relating to the Republic, so we are lagging behind as usual. I'll take a look at the portal again and see if I can help out in that respect. Stu ’Bout ye! 19:25, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

NI Project

Stu, I've been thinking seriously about creating a Wikiproject for Northern Ireland and Northern Irish-related articles. This has a huge scope, but if we make a start to it then perhaps we can break it down into smaller sub-projects (geography, biographies, etc). I'm going to create this using two projects I am involved with as templates: the Formula One project and the Beatles project. I'd really appreciate your help. I think in the long term it will help us to direct our efforts to improving these articles. In the short term of course, there will be work involved in creating the damn thing in the first place! lol Let me know your thoughts anyway (and who else we might be able to call upon to enlist, such as theKeith for example). --Mal 21:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

OK I've created the Wikiproject, and I'm taking a break from it for the time being. Feel free to make any changes/additions you feel are appropriate. Wikipedia:WikiProject Northern Irish articles --Mal 23:15, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow! That looks complicated! Good work though. I've never really bothered with Wikiprojects, so I'll have to look at your Beatles and Formula 1 ones and see how they work. Stu ’Bout ye! 15:11, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Well most of it is from copying other peoples' work. The whole redlinks thing was my idea though. I've started the article classification, which so far lists all the articles listed in the Category:Northern Ireland page. What we can do is go through all the categories, list them for classification, then list them for redlinks. It will take a long time probably.. but if we whittle away at it we should make good progress. AND it will help us improve the articles. We might even find articles we never knew existed that interest some of us.

I'm thinking of starting a separate page for the inevitable political discussions that are bound to crop up with Northern Irish articles - so that we can deal with those issues separately from the project ... or in tandem if you like. In other words, people who don't want to get embroiled in the political crap should be able to avoid it if they want to. Sound good to you?

Once you get used to what's available in the project pages, it should make editing of them a lot easier (not to mention structured). We should also help other editors by creating and including helpful things like templates relating to NI, categories and a policy on structure. Obviously all NI articles should be sub-articles in relation to the UK. But they should also be related or linked to relevant Ireland articles and cats where apropriate. Most articles probably have that kind of addition anyway.

Anyway - discussion like this should probably go on the project's discussion page, so I'll copy it there. --Mal 18:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)