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Yes, the terminals of Stuttgart Airport are located in Leinfelden-Echterdingen. But as mentioned, the runways are part in Stuttgart and Filderstadt. Additionally, Stuttgart Airport is owned by the local state government and the city of Stuttgart. Furthermore, the most larger airports are not located directly in a city center. For example Munich Airport in Germany or as an extreme example Tokyo Narita. Since the location of the terminal is clearly mentioned in the attached link, I see no necessity to mention that issue also here directly on Stuttgart page. Sorry, but we should remove this "Echterdingen" patriotism on the Stuttgart page.

"Patriotism" or not, an encyclopedic article should be based on facts. In an article (yet to be written) on the City of Leinfelden-Echterdingen, one could rightfully include the Airport Terminal as an example of modern architecture located in that city. Could both the Stuttgart and the Leinfelden-Echterdingen articles lay claim to the terminal? No, it is either in one of the cities or the other. One could argue that the terminal should not be mentioned in the Stuttgart article at all, because it is not in that city. However, for the reasons mentioned above (that it is named after the city and owned by it), it can be argued that it should be included. A compromise is to include the reference to the terminal, but to make the note that it is actually located outside of Stuttgart, in another city. The link does explain this, but many readers will not link to the other article and will have the false impression that the terminal is indeed in Stuttgart.

Sometimes airports are located in the city they are named after (Denver, 40 km from the city center, is one of them); sometimes they are not (Washington National, just across the Potomac River from Washington, D.C., is an example). In other words, sometimes airports "far away" from a city are actually in them, and in other cases, really "close-in" airports are outside the city limits. One can never simply assume that an airport is or is not in a certain city, just because it is named after it. An encyclopedia should make this distinction.

Gellersen 21:03, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I do not agree to waive on the term "Stuttgart Airport". Therefore, I suggest the current version as a compromise. Anyway, what could be interesting architecture concerning an airport if not the terminal buildings. --Pfg 16:38, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

The municipal authority in Esslingen governs Leinfelden-Echterdingen. And Stuttgart is the largest municipal organisation, to which both Esslingen and L-E belong. And the entire area around is densely populated and therefore could be refered to as "metropolitan" Stuttgart, with different towns and suburbs surrounding the centre. The airport serves this "metropolitan" area and would be quite useless if called "Leinfelden-Echterdingen Airport" - who would fly there? Therefore so technically, we should write: Stuttgart Airport terminals are located in Leinfelden-Echterdingen, the runways are in Stuttgart and Filderstadt, and this whole area belongs to the Stadtkreis Stuttgart. OK? --BartaS 08:23, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Toyota is not a city. It's a car brand. --Menchi 23:08, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Contents 1 Devastators? 2 maps 3 Page overhaul 4 demografics 5 Neue Messe?

[edit] Devastators?

Dear authors don't forget to add "the center of the city was devastated by US World War II bombing"!!! --Gutsul

Even amongst Stuttgart's citizens this objection is disputed. Of course there has been severe damage done by allied air raids, but the most devastating interventions into Stuttgart's architecture have been pursued by the city council itself. Whereas WW II is history, the demolition by construction is still going on, it's latest manifestation beeing the hideous mall behind the "Königsbau". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.180.120.28 (talk) 09:59, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] maps

Yesterday I added a pair of maps to the Stuttgart article. I like to know where a city is when I read about it. And, since river transport is important in Europe, I thought that maps that showed the relationship between Stuttgart and the other Rhine cities would be useful. Someone at IP address 84.135.156.237 removed those images saying they weren't relevant. Am I nuts? Do other people agree that maps aren't relevant? Geo Swan 22:17, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I am going to add those maps again, in a week, if no one offers a reason why they aren't relevant. Geo Swan 17:55, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

PFG: Please add these maps at the page River Neckar, but a link/connection from Stuttgart to the River Rhine is absolutely ridiculous, because neither Stuttgart is located at the Rhine, nor the Rhine is anywhere close to Stuttgart (about 200 km away). Therefore I will delete the maps. Less important (nut also a point): the maps look really ugly and not professional.

By the way, there's is already a map displayed on the page that shows the location of Stuttgart in Germany.

If you would tell anyone who lives in a city on the Rhine that Stuttgart is a Rhine city, he would start laughing (Sorry Geo Swan).

We are all volunteers here, right? We should all be doing our best to make the best possible articles, agreed? Well, if we are working at cross purposes, reversing the work of another, that is not helpful, is it. I'll tell you, I have been contributing to wikipedia for about a month now, and I have found articles that I believed are in error. But I don't take it upon myself to reverse those changes. I go to the history of the article, I figure out who contributed the thing I think is a mistake, and I write them a nice polite message.

I am going to assume that the persons who edited from IP 217.234.167.42 and IP 84.135.156.237 are one and the same. I would have written an email if that individual had logged in before they made their edits. Because I couldn't do that I left a note here in the talk page. Let me encourage you to register, if you haven't already done so. And let me encourage you to login, and identify yourself, before you make edits.

As to the dot on the map showing the location of Stuttgart within the states of Germany, I am sure that map is useful for those more familiar with German geography. But, for those of use who aren't, context is useful. You think the maps I supplied are ugly? Possibly. But they supply some context for those of us who aren't familiar with the details of German geography.

Personally, I love maps. Maybe I am wrong and those particular maps aren't as useful to other people as I thought. So, I am going to leave the Stuttgart page as-is. But I am going to strongly urge you to login before you make your edits.

If we respect that the other contributors here are volunteers, doing their best, we should do our best to leave others feeling their efforts are appreciated.

Geo Swan 18:58, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I would like to see this image placed on the page, but im not sure how to place it. Does anyone have any ideas?--Kelownian 07:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page overhaul

Interesting to see this page has been tagged. Indeed it does need references and a major overhaul!! If anyone considers themselves the owner/guardian/custodian/editor-in-chief of this page, please step forward. Otherwise I may volunteer myself though I'm sure there are more worthy people of the role (local historian?).
Having compared it to other pages of this ilk on German cities, in places this page reads like it's been cobbled together by day-trippers, people keen to show folks at home where they live, tourists "doing Europe" etc.
In particular it would make sense to look carefully at

• a) the history section, which is in places cursory and could be expanded vs. the German page
• b) images - too much focus on too few places. Stuttgart is peppered with fascinating historical architecture and sights beyond Schlossplatz and the city centre
• c) transportation - like many pages on Germany this area creates the impression that the only thing to say about the city is how to get there, facts of interests to trainspotters and which underground services it provides; too much weighting on this section versus others
• d) local culture... nothing on the derth of information available on this.

As a first step I propose raiding the rich treasure of info on German pages and thus

• 1) removing detailed Schlossplatz entries and setting up a new page just for this (have just set up stub)
• 2) expanding history, buildings (!), parks, economy, politics, sports (and thus readjusting whole emphasis of this page)

Anyone else interested in delving deeper?

Ideas for culture: Maybe some stuff about modern Theater productions and the :musicals out by Plenigen.

Should Nightlife be mentioned? You know, some stuff about clubs, bars, a mention of Theo-Heuss str.

I could knock up a bit about Stuttgart Hip-Hop, you know, a brief mention of big artists and key places.

Conairh (talk) 18:11, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] demografics

where are they :/ ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.3.22.90 (talk) 18:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

This and other facts will be included in the overhaul, when I can enrol someone to help me!! (see above) BuzzWoof (talk) 18:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Neue Messe?

I think the new Messe by the airport deserves a brief section, it is intended after all to be a major attraction. Maybe a few examples of exhibitions held there...? I would do it myself, but I have very little knowledge (or interest) about the thing. Conairh (talk) 16:20, 28 February 2008 (UTC)