Talk:Stuck in the Middle with You

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[edit] Cleanup?

Anyone else bothered by the fact that this article consists of three sentences about the song itself, followed by a dozen paragraphs of pop culture trivia? I'm not suggesting trivia, pop culture, or "cultural references" have no place here -- but oughtn't an encyclopedia article have a bit more focus? As it stands, there's more info here about the episode of Crank Yankers that mentioned the song than there is about the song itself. The only source or external reference mentioned is a link to a video clip of the song's admittedly famous appearance in a 1992 film.

Wikipedia has some outstanding encyclopedia articles about songs. For example, most of the category of "Beatles Songs" is well-written, documented, and not overburdened with trivia. Check out a few: Across the Universe, Lady Madonna, Hey Jude, or Maxwell's Silver Hammer are well-written articles about the songs themselves -- not ad infinitum lists of TV shows and movies that happened to have played the song once. 66.17.118.195 15:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] From VfD:

Just the lyrics and a couple links. The uncontested opinion at Wikipedia:What's in, what's out#Songs is that lyrics do not belong on Wikipedia. Livajo 05:15, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

  • If I remember correctly, there was a song called "Stuck in the Middle With You", that for a time, had some kitch value, appeared in a few commercials; but this doesn't seem to be that song. Rhymeless 05:40, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Comment: Well, actually, I'm pretty sure that this was the one - it soared to cult popularity w/ Reservoir Dogs, among others. No vote, because I'm insufficiently versed in WP song practice. Lacrimosus 06:41, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Redirect and merge encyclopedic information (not the lyrics) to Stealers Wheel. Song still gets lots of airplay in Aust. Andrewa 09:55, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete as copyvio. Ambi 10:49, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete: Whenever you see "lyrics reprinted with permission of" on a record, and it's the band's own record, that should tell you something. The song was a hit, btw, back in the day. Geogre 12:31, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Info's already at Stealers Wheel (tho' not much else). (Gets classic rock airplay in the US still, as well, but...) Redir or delete. Niteowlneils 12:33, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
    • Comment: Some of the above votes seem to be saying the article should be deleted (rather than redirected) because the voters don't like this type of music, or this particular song. I preach caution here. If so many have an opinion on it, surely it's encyclopedic? Many will search on this title not knowing the band IMO, so the redir is a good one if the song itself doesn't justify an article. The band article is a stub, certainly, no details of members yet, but it's a reasonable stub and should grow. No change of vote. Andrewa 17:14, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
    • I love the song. Stealers Wheel was a one-hit wonder, however. There were quite a few early 70's rock bands that made very memorable songs and then vanished (Brownsville Station, David Essex, Sugarloaf, Paper Lace, Terry Jacks). The problem with a redirect is that it implies that the band is of encyclopedic content. I'm not sure they are in a general encyclopedia. The redirect might be to Pulp Fiction#Soundtrack or List of top 10 records 1970's or something like that. Geogre 18:17, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
      • Redirect to Stealers Wheel. No useful information which isn't already on that article. Someone out there probably knows more about Stealers Wheel than is on the article right now. AMG has some decent info, so they're hardly unnotable. David Essex a one-hit wonder? Pah! The User Formerly Known As 82.6.10.139 22:20, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete copyvio and possibly start over. -- Cyrius|✎ 01:47, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete as copyvio and recreate as redirect. Keep. -Sean Curtin 00:02, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)
  • The original page has been reworked as a stub without the copyright violations. In my view, the history of the song outside of Stealers Wheel makes it encyclopedic. I hope to contribute more over the weekend when I have time. Capitalistroadster 07:31, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • I'm still not sure it's encyclopedic enuf to need to be its own article instead of a redir to the info merged into the Stealers Wheel article, but I changed it from two out-of-the-blue bullet points to an actual stub article. I agree that, if it is kept as is, or as a redir, it ought to be deleted, and the stub or redir pasted in fresh. Oh, and I restored the VFD tag until the voting's resolved. Niteowlneils 01:15, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
    • Comment: Current policy is to keep the history. On request a developer can delete the offending version(s). This has been discussed endlessly already. No change of vote. Andrewa 03:19, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep and cleanup. List on copyvios in page history if you care about the page history copyvio, although such use is probably fair use. Had you properly listed this on copyright problems instead of here we probably wouldn't have had this problem in the first place. anthony (see warning) 13:59, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. [[User:Gamaliel|Gamaliel Image:Cubaflag15.gif]] 01:34, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

end moved discussion

Who thinks this song is Dylan? You'd have to be a complete idiot to think this is a Dylan song.

How can the Beatles have covered this at "one of their performances in Texas" when they stopped performing live almost a decade before this song was written? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.25.77 (talk) 10:46, 16 May 2008 (UTC)