Talk:Straight Outta Lynwood/Archive 1

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Fake Tracklist

There's a tracklist floating around the internet for this album that, basically, isn't true. It was posted on the WeirdAlForum as a screenshot to Amazon.com, but was later found out to be a fake. The tracklist includes songs such as "The Bed Bugs Bite" and "Trapped in the Polka". If this list gets posted on this page, please do delete. Thanks. User:John f 11:27, 5 August 2006

Green Day Parody

Any guesses on what it's going to be? I think it'll be a parody of "American Idiot", and be called "American Idol." :P Cloud13 14:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

It could be called "American retard" and be about President Bush. haha. dposse 16:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

And people wonder why Kerry lost. The above is a perfect example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamescush (talk • contribs)

Please use this talk page to discuss improving the article not guessing songs for the album. Thank you. --WillMak050389 16:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
  • It is quite possible the Taylor Hicks song may be merged with the Green Day song though. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

i heard the song as well....no real doubt in my mind that its weird al. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.11.100.29 (talk • contribs)

It was leaked onto the internet a few days ago under the name "Canadian Idiot".. not sure it's the real name, but that's the one it has on the internet. Dark Chili 19:53, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes Canadian Idiot by Weird Al parody of American Idiot by Green Day.--WhereAmI 04:33, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Songs Unconfirmed by Al

I don't see a problem with listing songs that other sources have revealed. The firs four songs were revealed in a MySpace bulletin by Chamillionaire, and the lead single even has an article despite the title not yet being revealed by Al. I think it's pretty safe to say that the animators who Al has commissioned to make music videos for him are reputable sources for this information. --Maxamegalon2000 12:53, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


Polka Medley

Any info about a Polka medley on this album? P.S. I can almost bet that there will be a parody of Hard Rock Hallelujah by Lordi—Preceding unsigned comment added by Justanotheruser (talk • contribs)

Well, there are already five parodies, and fans know that the six videos on the DVD all belong to original songs. It's pretty well accepted that the 12th song will be a polka, and probably not a Lordi parody. I'm reasonably sure very few Americans even know what the Eurovision Song Contest is. --Maxamegalon2000 18:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah,but wasn't the clip a big hit on MTV?If it was it's more likely that Americans will know the song —Preceding unsigned comment added by Justanotheruser (talk • contribs)
Was it? I don't have cable. --Maxamegalon2000 20:22, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah,I think so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Justanotheruser (talk • contribs)

The Leaflet

[1] Last time I was there, the World of "Weird Al" Yankovic forums seemed to believe in the authenticity of this supposed Sony promotional flier. I personally think it's probably legit, but that it's also not reputable enough for Wikipedia. I'm willing to go with whatever the consensus is, but I think we either have to accept the leaflet as an appropriate source, and assert in the article that "Polkarama" is a confirmed track, or reject the leaflet, in which case we don't have any polka information. Thoughts? --Maxamegalon2000 03:54, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

  • I Just posted a link to Request this song on the dr demento show. ok?

Leaked tracklisting

This post on the snopes.com forums contains what is, supposedly, a tracklisting of the new album, along with short descriptions and lyrical excerpts of many tracks. Normally I'd ignore something like this, but it was posted a full two days before the premiere of Don't Download This Song, and contains a real lyrical excerpt of the song. I know, I know, the forum has an Edit button but I'd like to try to believe this guy...this doesn't sound like something he made up to me. He explains a few posts above the linked one how he came in possession of the disc. Give it a read and post some opinions. :) -CapitalQ 00:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't buy it for a very obvious reason: the poster claims to have received an advance copy of the album a week and a half ago. Why is he/she the only person on the entire Internet to have made such a claim? Promotional CDs, listening copies, review copies, etc., go out dozens or hundreds at a time — and, these days, 0-day groups usually have their hands on them within days or hours. --keepsleeping slack off! 01:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

No... it was confirmed on the official Weird Al forum to be legit. I'm adding it to the page. -User:TheLazenby

Could you provide a link to that topic? I'm interested in seeing that. -CapitalQ 02:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Can't just give you one, because you need to be a member to enter that particular section. Sign up, then go into "Music & Record", then the newly revealed "Spoilers" section. -User:TheLazenby
I registered, and you are indeed, correct. A veteran of the forum (TMBJohn) was sent the song "White & Nerdy" by the woman who posted the tracklisting on Snopes, confirming its validity. -CapitalQ 12:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I can confirm that he was sent the song, and that it is indeed legitimate (and a pretty good song too). Even so, I don't think we can use the information. While we all may be reasonably confident that the info is legit, I don't think that Wikipedia should be as confident. In theory, the source could be a plant sent by Weird Al to give false information, armed with a trinket of evidence to appear legit. --Maxamegalon2000 18:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
From Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Bulletin_boards.2C_wikis_and_posts_to_Usenet: "Posts to bulletin boards, Usenet, and wikis, or messages left on blogs, should not be used as primary or secondary sources. This is in part because we have no way of knowing who has written or posted them, and in part because there is no editorial oversight or third-party fact-checking.". — pd_THOR | =/\= | 18:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I was sent White & Nerdy also, so I can also confirm that it is legit. I'm not going to revert this though. I don't know what is conscidered speculation arround here. the least that could happen is it could be added with the disclaimer that it might not be accurate. Also, User:TheLazenby, there is no "official Weird Al forum" and it was never "confirmed as legit" by ANY official source. weirdalforum.com is a fan based community, Although Bermuda (Al's drummer) does post there occasionally. He was seen online while this info was getting arround, but he did not post to confirm or deny it. Technically this is all speculation. And I suppose the reason she has the CD but nobody else does is because she was an intern at the Late Show with David Letterman. I can see them getting the cd before some of the record companies even do.--Weirdal 21:31, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Isn't this illegal? (listen to don't download this song to find out) -Yoda's
More or less. --Maxamegalon2000 19:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Maxamegalon, thank gosh your online-can you please post the lyrics to canadian idiot? I'm not downloading it because of copyright. And how dd you get it, anyway?- Yoda's
Lyrics are copyrighted as well, and the song was leaked via a P2P program. -CapitalQ 20:46, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Tracks Leaked - Official Enough For You?

Sony BMG confirmed this tracklist!

I don't know why people still insist that that tracklist is fake, especially when some songs from it have ended up doing the rounds on the Internet already. Pretty damn legit to me... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.240.12.118 (talk • contribs)

UPDATE - I added "Canadian Idiot" to the songs list; there's no reason for any doubt, considering this song is already circulating, and the voice is obviously Weird Al's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.240.12.118 (talk • contribs)

I would recommend that people consider that many songs released on the Internet are falsely attributed to Al, and many of them sound like Al. Also, it's not like Al's the only one who came up with the idea of "Canadian Idiot". A quick Google search should make that obvious. Even Uncyclopedia was able to come up with that one. Of course, this doesn't mean that the song in question isn't from Al, but we must consider the reliability of sources. --Maxamegalon2000 01:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Check your own "talk" page, and scroll down to the bottom. If you still argue with me after that, then here's your sign.

I apologize if I implied any lack of intelligence on your part; I was merely noting, as is mentioned at "Weird Al" Yankovic, that many songs have been falsely attributed to Al, many of which are claimed to really really sound like him. I'm sure you read the comment above, that "Posts to bulletin boards, Usenet, and wikis, or messages left on blogs, should not be used as primary or secondary sources. This is in part because we have no way of knowing who has written or posted them, and in part because there is no editorial oversight or third-party fact-checking." Even if you were to send me the song, it would still not be independently verifiable that 1)The song is by Al, and 2)The song is on the album. I don't think I'm being "ridiculously impossible", but rather citing Wikipedia policies regarding verifiability and reputable sources. Personally, I believe that Canadian Idiot is a song on the album, but just because you and I believe something doesn't mean that Wikipedia should say it. I'm sorry if you feel that typing in capital letters, which you have removed from the page, improves the quality of your argument. --Maxamegalon2000 03:04, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

But why wouldn't you believe that something is on the album, if people have actually HEARD the album? Trust me - more people have heard that promo version than just that woman, even though people don't like to admit it. I just find it extremely hard to dispute that woman if she correctly stated the lyrics to THREE songs before they were even available to anyone else - especially "Don't Download This Song". And I don't know why "Close, But No Cigar" wouldn't be in the list of 'songs definitely on the album', if they're making a music video for it. And though people here dispute it, that forum *is* the official Weird Al forum, and is even publicized as such on Al's own site. And yes, I would really appreciate it if you went to that link I posted on your talk page. And if, after that, you still think that song's fake, then you obviously cannot recognize Al's voice and thus should not be controlling this page.

I think you may be confused. I have listened to the song and agree that it is almost certainly by Al, and almost certainly going to be on the album. I have never asserted that the song is fake. I'm guessing, however, that you haven't read the relevant policies: Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:Reliable sources, and Wikipedia:No original research. Even if the woman's post has been correct so far, it is not Wikipedia's place to assert that the rest of it will be as well until another source asserts it first. Even if the forum were referred to as official, there has been no word from Al or any other official or reliable source regarding the song. As for "Close, But No Cigar", sources agree that the song exists and that there is a video for it, but not that the song is going to be on the album. This is the standard of sources that Wikipedia insists on. If you have a problem with Wikipedia's policies, this article is not the place to express them. --Maxamegalon2000 03:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

And no, weirdalforum.com is NOT the official Weird Al forum. You say it's publicized as such on weirdal.com, but here is what the site has to say about it in the "links" page: "The World of "Weird Al" Yankovic Forums - fast & easy to use (and moderated!)". That does NOT make it official by any means. Whizzi runs the forum and he isn't affiliated officially with the band WHATSOEVER. Personally, I've heard these two tracks and they are most certainly by Al, but we must conform to wikipedia's guidelines, which state that anything posted on a message board by an unconfirmed source is not official information. Therefore, that information does not belong here untill something official is released.--Weirdal 03:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

But what's the point in not listing "Canadian Idiot", if it's 100% certain that that is the title of the Green Day parody?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.253.37.233 (talk • contribs)

See Wikipedia:Verifiability. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 00:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

All songs are not only confirmed on Sony BMG's site, but also Weird Al's own - [2]

No, as you can see from above, such useless things as "official websites" and "press releases" do not follow WP:V. To comply with WP:V, you must get the signature of Weird Al, his band, every artist parodied, their friends and direct relatives, and their pets. (Wikipedia: Imposing Red Tape Since 1998, Just Because We Can™) - Kookykman|(t)e 22:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Verifiability

I really don't think we should be invoking WP:IAR to go against WP:V. I'd like to make it clear again that I have the same beliefs about the accuracy of the snopes.com tracklist as everyone else, but that the question here is one of Wikipedia policies. The snopes.com tracklist comes from a message board, which is not a reputable source. The corroborating evidence is certainly becoming more strong every time new information surfaces, but to infer that this leads to a greater credibility for the tracklist is original research, which is also not allowed. I do not think the article suffers at all if we wait for better sources for the information. David Lovelace has indicated that the animators for the music videos have been given permission to reveal the titles of the songs they are animating, so it is likely that there will be plenty of information before the album is released. --Maxamegalon2000 18:33, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

No one can possibly appreciate the amount of relief I feel now that the tracklist can be included. However, I'd like to point out that we still don't have a source for the songs included in the polka medley, or even that the song is a polka. I think we might have to wait until the album is released to get that information. --Maxamegalon2000 17:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

It's called "POLKArama", for God's sakes! IT'S THE POLKA! [personal attack removed]

White & Nerdy stream - legal?

A link was posted on the main article today (diff) containing a stream of White & Nerdy. I know nothing about this website (HipHopDX.com), so does anyone know if this stream is legal? I don't see anything about user-uploaded music on the site so I'm leaning towards yes...but it seems like an odd place for Al to premiere a song is all. -CapitalQ 11:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

illegal. it was not premired on there. looks like some fan jut trying to spread the leaked song. --Weirdal 17:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Proof? -CapitalQ 21:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Dual Disc Specs

Does anyone know what the resolution and bits per sample will be on the 5.1 mix? I'm hoping something like 24-bit 96 kHz, but it might end up being 16/24-bit 48 kHz. If anyone knows, please add this tidbit to the page. koolman2 11:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Pretty much all known information regarding the release is listed on the page. Try checking the specs for other recent Sony DualDiscs with 5.1 mixes. -CapitalQ 00:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Style parodies

I've removed the "style parody of. . ." lines in the track listing. Some of them, of course, are obvious (the Cake and Rage Against the Machine ones in particular), but it's original research to put it in the article without citations that they are, indeed, style parodies of those artists. As I understand it, though, this album will actually credit the style-parody inspirations (unlike previous "Weird Al" albums), so once it comes out the article can use the album credits as a source. --keepsleeping slack off! 15:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

There're no direct credits for the style parodies in the US DualDisc release booklet, though the "Special Thanks To" section does list "Brian Wilson", "RATM", and "John McCrea". That would seem to be an implicit acknowledgement at least. --Funkboy3 22:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

DMX

Year_of_the_Dog...Again Album covers look similar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.167.138.194 (talk • contribs)

I agree, but let's be on the lookout for a source that says so, otherwise we probably shouldn't add it. --Maxamegalon2000 02:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

There's no official confirmation that the sample is "Black Dog" either... and why was "Style parody of Brian Wilson" removed? THAT WAS CONFIRMED!

Brian Wilson is still mentioned in the song description section. I guess we're not supposed to have so many notes in the tracklist section. As for "Black Dog", I suppose now that the album's been leaked it would be hard to deny that fact. I'm kinda torn myself, so I won't revert any changes either way. --Maxamegalon2000 02:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Leak date.

How fair is it for the leak date to be posted in album articles? This only encourages piracy.

Not at all. People will download it regardless of what wikipedia says. They'll just keep searching the file sharing programs anyway. --66.169.14.5 22:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Polka Tracklist is NOT correct

Two songs ("Feel Good Inc." and "Slither") are *NOT* included on the final pressing of the CD that will be availble in stores on September 26th. I made a note on the tracklist section. (I have a OFFICIAL RETAIL copy of the album (and the CD is VERY good!!) so do NOT try and change this.

  • That's not supported by Yankovic's own website, which lists both of those songs as part of "Polkarama!". --keepsleeping slack off! 23:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Even if it were true, it's not verifiable. --Maxamegalon2000 02:45, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

LOL...I have the RETAIL CD...you guys need to chill out.

Again, it's not verifiable. --Maxamegalon2000 03:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I also have the retail CD (thanks to my local The Exchange) and I can verify that these two songs ARE in the polka.

YES feel good is in there and YES Slither is. Do not take them out. --WhereAmI 04:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not trying to "lie" or cause problems...but then there must be something wrong with my copy, because it is the retail (sealed, official stamps, etc) and I listened atleast 10 times to the track and never heard those two songs...hmmm

You don't hear any "feel good"s or "yeah"s? -CapitalQ 14:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, my CD (from Best Buy) includes both those songs in Polkarama. (Admittedly, Slither is somewhat unoticeable as the only lyrics from it are "Hey!"). Might it be possible that these songs were removed in some regions due to a legal technicality?

Also, since it has been added and removed several times, I would like to point out that "The Nina Bobina Polka" does appear in the CD booklet. I disagreed with this at first, since it only appears near the back of the booklet where all the credits are given, and not in the front where just the songs are listed.-Mattu82 05:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Leaks

What's with all the leaks on this album? Mistakes? Surveilannce? Sabotage? - Kookykman|(t)e 02:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

My cooler friends tell me they're surprised it took as long as it did for stuff to leak. Apparently this sort of stuff just happens in music these days. --Maxamegalon2000 02:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Well this sort of leaking thing has been common for at least 6 or 7 years, but the reason this was remarkable is that Al's previous albums weren't leaked at all, because he generally runs a tight ship... leading some to believe that he intenionally allowed this leak. It's not very encyclopedic, but it's something that seems rather remarkable and has fans speculating. - Ugliness Man 16:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Poodle Hat leaked. -CapitalQ 22:50, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
There were several fake leaks of Poodle Hat. The filenames and filesizes seemed to indicate that they were songs from the album, but the files themselves were actually several seconds of silence. Only "Couch Potato" was leaked for real. - Ugliness Man 12:44, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

The White & Nerdy video is on YouTube now as well.

No, it's not. If you actually looked, you'd see it was just the original Chamillionare video synced with the song. - Kookykman|(t)e 12:33, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
You're looking at the wrong video, we're not that stupid. -167.206.233.5 14:47, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
And anyways, Wierd al uploaded it at youtue and linked his myspcae.

I'll Sue Ya!

I think it sounds most like "Bulls on Parade" and "Killing in the Name".

It's definitely got parts of "Killing in the Name" in it. It may not be a parody of the song, and now I realize why, but I still think it should be noted that the song is musically based on this/these RATM songs. noroom 11:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
There's no "may or may not" about it, it borrows elements from specific songs, but it is most decidedly not an outright song parody, it is a "style parody". Nearly all of Al's style parodies borrow elements from specific songs, if we're going to list them for this track on this album's article, then we should probably list them for every song in every album's article, and that would just be dumb. - Ugliness Man 13:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it would be dumb. Like you said, Al often takes the music from other songs and adds his own lyrics to them. If users could read what the album offers musically, they might be more interested in it. I know I would be. noroom 20:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Lynnwood Demographic

"Sorry, but Lynwood is not a 'middle class suburb.' Its actually a low class, crime infected city. I should know, I'm from there." This has no place in a Wikipedia article. I can't seem to find it in the Edit page. Will someone please take this out? If Lynnwood indeed is what this person says, could someone change the entry and delete this anyway?

With the article for Lynnwood saying that 22% of the people live in poverty, I'll take his word for it and change the article to say lower class. Michael Greiner 00:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

In regards to this edit

Source taken from [3]

INTERNATION-AL Even though "Straight Outta Lynwood" is being released on Sept. 26 in the U.S., we just found out that because of a mix-up at the label (don't ask) it will not be released in Australia until Sept. 30 and it will not be released in Canada until Oct. 3. Sorry. Also, we're being told that outside of the U.S., it will NOT be a DualDisc, but rather a separate CD and DVD - which unfortunately, for some reason (*sigh*... don't ask) will not include the 5.1 or instrumental mixes. (FYI, the DVD side of the U.S. DualDisc is region-free.) And we still don't have any idea yet whether or not it will be officially released in the UK... but we'll let you know as soon as we do.

Michael Greiner 16:14, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Citations

Whats the point? We will all find out when it releases tomorrow (Sept 26). Then you'll see. That WE were all right. Hee hee. Koolgiy 23:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

You're absolutely right, of course. In a few hours, I expect most of the uncited tags to be removed. And in case you aren't kidding, of course the editors of this page don't deny the truth of a lot of the uncited statements. I'm sure many editors here are very familiar with the album; I certainly wouldn't let anything stay in the article, uncited or not, that I wasn't pretty sure was true. --Maxamegalon2000 01:24, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Close But No Cigar

Close But No Cigar is almost definitely inspired by the artist Cake's song "Short Skirt/Long Jacket". The bass line, the singing style, the auxiliary percussion, the trumpet.. it's all very similar to Cake's style. I'm hoping some of you can look more deeply into it. n42 01:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry. Al has said that he will be listing what groups the style parodies will be based on from now on. By this time tomorrow, we will be listing what each original song is a style parody of in the "Song information" section. From what I understand, the general consensus is that yes, CBNC is a style parody of Cake (band). I'm not sure if Al will be listing specific songs, though. --Maxamegalon2000 01:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
In addition to what N42 said: Close But No Cigar is also similar to Short Skirt/Long Jacket lyrics-wise. Both songs are about a guy with a pretty extensive, if not silly list of demands when it comes to women. "I want a girl with uninterrupted prosperity who uses a machette to cut through red tape".... nuff said. Weird Al seems even to have parodies some specific "demands" from the Cake song into CBNC:
Short Skirt Long Jacket: ...with fingernails that shine like justice, and a voice that is dark like tainted glass...
Close but no Cigar: She had a smile so incredibly radiant, you had to watch it through a piece of smoked glass
So, I agree with what Funkboy3 said somewhere on this talk page: the special thanks to John McCrae seem like enough evidence that this is a Cake parody. On top of that; I think we can be fairly certain it's a specific parody of Short Skirt / Long Jacket, even if it isn't a "cover" (the music is different).
RagingR2 23:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Black Dog is rerecorded, not sampled

[4] is the source. --Maxamegalon2000 03:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Style for Weasel Stomping

Weird Al said in his Dr. Demento interview (9/25/06) that Weasel Stomping Day apes the style of animated TV specials from the 1960s. I made the edit, but I'm afraid I don't know how to add a cite tag. --Jere7my 00:22, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll sue ya!

I've edited this several times, but some butt-munch keeps deleting it. This is the sentence I posted in the list: "Contains Samples of "Killing In The Name" and other various songs by Rage Against the Machine.

At about 1:10 of the song, it uses the exact same riff as at 1:16 of Killing In The Name.

Don't believe me, check it for yourself. Me I'm going to put that information back in the list for the third time. Don't delete it again. Or I will find you and... discuss it in a polite and sensible manner.

Maybe I'm confused, but Sampling (music) even lists Al as an artist who doesn't sample. I understand sampling to involve taking the actual sound recording from one song and using it in another, which is certainly not the case here. Because I'll Sue Ya! is a style parody of RATM, it makes sense that certain parts of the song sound like parts from various RATM songs. Another word used to describe style parodies is Pastiche, the article for which also mentions Al. So, I don't think Al "sampled" any RATM songs, even if parts of I'll Sue Ya! intentionally sound like parts from RATM songs. --Maxamegalon2000 02:33, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Maxamegalon2000 is correct, the song does not contain any samples of anything. Your entire basis is your opinion, and your opinion is based on listening to the song and making an assumption. There is no concrete evidence to support your theory. The riffs in the song are very similar to riffs in RATM songs, because that's what a pastiche is all about, however there are no actual samples. You need to learn a few things about how Wikipedia works, this isn't a fansite. First of all, using allcaps anywhere is annoying and inappropriate, even moreso in section titles. Second, suggesting that you are just plain right, and demanding that your additions be left alone is immature, misguided and just generally a bad idea. Third, if you're going to claim to be to be such an expert and someone who's generally right about everything, you should at the very least learn how to sign your comments. In summary, you need to offer tangeable, verifiable proof of this (non-existent) "sampling" if you wish to leave it in the article (which isn't going to happen, so please give it up). - Ugliness Man 11:26, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I realize this isn't relevant to this particular discussion, but I'm pretty sure the faux "ha ha ha ha ha" laughing in I'll Sue Ya is a spoof of the "ha ha ha" laughing in "Mic Check" by Rage Against the Machine. - Ecksem Diem 23:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

@Uglinessman:
ok

Interpancreatic Attraction

I think there's a physics error in the lyrics of Pancreas. The attraction between my pancreas is inversely proportional to the square of the distance, not just the distance as the song says. Worth mentioning?

No. Michael Greiner 01:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
If the song itself had an article, I could see that fact being mentioned, but I agree with Michael that it's not particularly notable to the album. Note that I am not suggesting that there should be an article for the song. As I think users are noticing, not all Weird Al songs merit articles. --Maxamegalon2000 04:05, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Discussion from Canadian Idiot

Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 24 September 2006. The result of the discussion was delete, and redirect to Straight Outta Lynwood.

Per the discussion above, I have added the discussion to this page. The history is preserved at Talk:Canadian Idiot. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 22:27, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Has anyone checked out the Uncyclopedia page Canadian Idiot. I remember the page was created over a year ago. It's worth checking out just for the picture. -Hyad 01:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Deletion

Why are we deleting this? Whats the point? ITS A SONG ON THE ALBUM! Its EVEN ON THE WEIRD AL SITE! Why dont people get it. So many people have listened to it due to the fact that Straight Outta Lynnwood was leaked and is found on Torrent sites. Koolgiy 18:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

We allow shameless links like this? Removing tag.--Asams10 18:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I am for the deletion. There is no point for an article for every single song. Because 'many people listened to it' is not an argument.--Soetermans 20:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
What's the harm in keeping it? It exists, and if someone's bothered to start a page on it then we might as well keep it. Besides, more information about artistic intent might come around in future. Excalibur2211 08:02, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
keep it, hundreds of other albums have individual articles for their songs. do not delete. Barcode 03:37, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Plenty of other song pages exist. Weird Al song pages are helpful if for no other reason than to name the song (or genre, TV show, movie, current event, etc.) being parodied. In this case, I had never heard of the song "American Idiot." The page helped me. Keep it. - RazorChicken 21:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Please discuss deletion on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Canadian Idiot, this is the official discussion on it. --WillMak050389 02:02, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I clicked there and on the bottom it says "The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it." So if someone has a further comment to make, do they do it there or here? - Ugliness Man 23:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Here, even though for anything to be done, a deletion review would have to be undergone since the debate is closed. Michael Greiner 03:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Tables

I think we should discuss the tables recently added to the article. I must say I do not care for them. I especially think we should follow the guidelines at WikiProject Albums, which we were previously following. --Maxamegalon2000 03:17, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

After taking a break and revisiting these tables, they are a bit excessive. However, comparing before and after when the tables were added, I would have to say that the information provided is much more organized, as opposed to having (I think) three different sections for the same sets of songs, whereas in the table, it is in one section, but in multiple columns. Maybe I'm just overly excited for tables, but I feel that the current format gives the best organization for the tracks. Another option would be Ziggy Stardust way, where the tracks are listed, as deemed appropriate by the WikiProject, and then to list facts, trivia, etc. under each track.
While I'm at it, I suggest: (1) that we reduce the amount of trivia in the article (we don't need to know where every last piece of information came from. While Wikipedia aims to be verifiable, we don't want to be overly so) and (2) cleanup the citations so that they are readable in the "references" section -- not just a bunch of URLs all grouped together. Just my thoughts. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 03:56, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Get rid of the tables. They don't flow right with the other Weird Al albums that don't have tables in them and they just seem to stand out to much. There is no need for them. Its nice someone wanted to code the pages with tables but its really a waste of space. Lets keep some continuity here and remove the tables. Otherwise table all the al album pages as well but personally I could do without them. They are too much and stand out way to much with the general look of the page. It was better before the tables. Just my opinion though. PantheraLeo 05:24, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Since consensus appears to be to remove the tables, how do we present the data in a way that isn't cluttered and unorganized? Until we find a replacement for the tables, I suggest we keep the tables for the time being. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 20:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Cleaning up the Talk Page

It seems to me, that now that the album is out in stores (I'm listening to it right now!), that we can archive alot of the discussion on this talk page about "what will the tracks be". It's getting rather large in any case... --Quadraxis 19:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. How can we go about doing this? -CapitalQ 22:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Copy Protection

I was about to buy the US DualDisc today, but it had a sticker on it saying that the audio side did not conform to CD standards. Is the audio disc copy-protected? Noxious Ninja 22:48, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

It probably is copy-protected, but the sticker only refers to the fact that some select CD players may not be able to play the disc. It should probably work in your computer, and it should definitely work in your DVD player. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 00:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
It's not copy-protected. But yes, not all CD players would be able to play the sudio. --GVOLTT 03:27, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
The reason for this is how the Dualdisc works, and the depth to which the audio is written. Have a look at the Dualdisc wiki page for more info.
It BEHAVES like there's copy protection. Two of my CD players take a good 30 seconds to recognize the first track, making a lot of (head movement) noise while they're doing whatever it is they're doing. Finding the second track takes about 20 seconds. The third, about 10, and then the rest of the tracks are okay. It's almost as though there's incorrect positioning information on the disc, and the CD player is quickly fast-forwarding through something to get to the track rather than directly seeking to it.

No release in UK at all?

Do we have a source of this? It's just supposedly mentioned on the Weird Al website due to the source. Crazydog115 00:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC) :Weird Al's website was the source I used when I added it to the article. --Michael Greiner 01:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC) Never mind.

It's getting a UK release. Weird Al's site says it's due on Nov. 13 -- 84.69.121.255

Citing Sources

So, how can I site a source who is an animator who is working on the JibJab video? How to you cite a person? Because I'm right about JibJab doing Do I Creep You Out. I've seen the animation breakdown sheets for pete's sake!

Well, you need to cite something that's verifiable and reliable, otherwise it's probably original research and can't be added to the article. Sorry. It's not that we don't believe you. --Maxamegalon2000 05:10, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I understand what you're saying. I just think it's silly because the article, as is now, is WRONG because it gives the impression that the DO I CREEP YOU OUT video and the JibJab video are two different things, which they aren't. But I guess that's why you can never go on Wikipedia's word, because most of the stuff is wrong. Oh well, when a RELIABLE, VERIFIABLE source (which I guess animators working on the video are not) comes along just remember you heard it here first.  ;-)
Yes, it does seem counter-intuitive that the goal for Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth, and there certainly are situations where this becomes a problem. Assuming that you are who you say you are, though, perhaps you could put your information on, say, a blog or personal site that identifies you as a reputable source, and I think we could probably use the information then. It is unfortunate that the article cannot be corrected. I'm guessing this sort of thing happens all the time. --Maxamegalon2000 05:45, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

When do y'all think the RIAA will certify his album status?

Like how long does it usually take? -TheBird

30 days after a record is released, it becomes eligible for certification. From there, a record company can request an sales audit for a fee. After the audit is completed, the album will be certified (depending on whether or not the album sells enough copies to be certified). Since the album came out 9/26/2006, I would look for certification information sometime in November. I think the RIAA links can explain better than I can. [5][6] --UD490 15:33, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

About the Retarded Animal Babies cameos in the Virus Alert video

Here's a list of what I saw:

  • Puppy appears when Al says the virus will "neuter your pets and give your laundry static cling"
  • Bunny appears when Al says the virus will "delete the easter eggs from your DVD's"
  • Cat appears as a clock when Al says the virus will set back your clocks an hour
  • Satan appears in the last chorus.

NZ chartings

Having checked rianz.org.nz it would appear SOL has not even charted, let alone reached the no. 1 claimed in the article. Probably should be removed, unless it can be verified.

"I'll Sue Ya" is Rage Against the Machine?

Has there been any official confirmation (i.e., from Al himself) that "I'll Sue Ya" is a style parody of Rage Against the Machine, or is this just drawn from popular opinion? It could just as easily be considered a parody of, say, Kid Rock's style circa-Devil Without A Cause, or other rock-rap fusion acts. -- Pennyforth 08:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Straight Outta Lynwood is the first Weird Al album to unambiguously give credit to the sources of his pastiches in the "special thanks" section of the liner notes. Here's some of the relevant portion: "Brian Wilson, RATM, Ron & Russell Mael". - Ugliness Man 13:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Also, a number of news articles refer to it as "Rage Against the Machine-inspired," and we'd have to go with that if we didn't have official confirmation. --Maxamegalon2000 15:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Begs a question though - presumably James Blunt is at the end (due to that Pitiful parody) of the list of artists like that. I'm having trouble "Figuring (you) Out" where Nickleback fits into all this. 121.208.24.153 13:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I have no idea what you're trying to say. --Maxamegalon2000 15:14, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
In this MTV News article, Al says in his own words:

Another original, done in the style of Rage Against the Machine. I thought it might be kind of fun to do a Rage-style parody, because there's a lot of anger and emotion in their humor. And instead of doing something politically charged, I thought it would be funny to have that kind of song and have it be about frivolous law suits."

I assume that we can cite that source, for not only this style parody, but the others on Straight Outta Lynwood as well? --Elvis 17:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Polkarama

When I heard that Weird Al would do another polka medley, I knew he'd do Franz Ferdinand and the Killers. However, I didn't think he'd do Kanye West. I actually thought he'd parody Gold Digger. - Ndrly 04:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Pancreas

Ever listened to it? It kinda sounds like "God Only Knows" and "Good Vibrations".

WP:ASR

Correct me if I'm wrong, but WP:ASR does not prohibit the mention of Wikipedia in an article, provided that it is relevant. We are allowed to reference Wikipedia, but not anything in the Wikipedia: name space. In this article, linking to Wikipedia would be appropriate, whereas linking to Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias would not. Then again, my interpretation could be way off. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 04:40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I guess the question is whether or not the mention of Wikipedia in the song is notable enough to mention in an article about the album. I don't think it is; Wikipedia one of dozens of things mentioned in the song, and not any more notably than any other thing. --Maxamegalon2000 04:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


There are three Star Trek refrences (Earl Grey Tea, Klingon, Kirk or Piccard). WHy isn't that mentioned instead of Wikipedia. I don't think it should be mentioned either but if we mention Wikipedia, which has only one line in the song, we should mention star trek. The Placebo Effect 14:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)