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[edit] Speedy Deletion Sound Factory The Band

I posted this because this is an important band in Italy and member Julie P. co-wrote the song "Quelli che ben pensano" by Frankie_Hi-NRG_MC, it is in her biography, #3 in charts in 1997 and received as best song in 1997 the Music Italian Award (PIM). The album she produced, La Morte dei Miracoli in 1997 published by BMG sold til now like more than 400,000 copies. She is one of the old school hip hop producer and well respected and known musician/singer in the soul/jazz italian ambient and also collaborated with Mike Stern, the jazz guitarist.

Sacredsoul2 (talk) 11:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Her notability does not make the band notable. Biography's of band members within the article in no way help to explain how the band is notable? Give two reliable sources (that explain the bands notability) as references. MySpace pages and Sound Factory home page don't count as references. Sting_au Talk 12:04, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reply to Sting au for SPEED DELETION Sound Factory The Band

Sorry but well the band is important and soon will play live also with Mike Stern. Plus if the band wouldn't be important that great musician wouldn't have recorded 4 tunes with them.

Also they are on battle of the band's website, there is link and allaboutjazz.com is another good reference. There is a link there too. So here they are 2 reliable sources.

Sacredsoul2 (talk) 12:09, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

It's a recreation of deleted material Sound Factory Band that was edit protected for admins only to create. Any references given (which must be from reliable sources) still need to show HOW the band is notable. Not just the band held a gig sort of report. What have they done? Awards etc. Sting_au Talk 12:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


That was deleted/protected because of a copyright mistake as I am new to posting to Wikipedia not because the band wasn't notable. One administrator let me stay but them there was a copyright problem but now it is solved as the band gave me permission.

Sacredsoul2 (talk) 12:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Band members biography's don't show how the band is notable? What has the "band" done to satisfy WP:MUSIC? Wasn't this deleted before as Sound Factory Band? A page currently protected and only to be edited by admins? Sting_au Talk 12:14, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

My comment above copied and pasted here by Sacredsoul2 from talk:Sound Factory The Band. Sting_au Talk 12:30, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia - CzechInvest notability tag

Hi, sorry to bother, it's just that I'm not entirely sure about the notabily tag - the subject of the article quite an important Czech agency (Im too shy to write an important Central European player in attracting foreign direct investment). And at least its similar to entries like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InvestUkraine or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARIO . So... umm.. shall I delete the tag or the whole article..? Thanks, Jiri —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesullus (talk • contribs) 14:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

My reply on your talk page. I've added a couple of citewebs and a reflist to the article. Sting_au Talk 22:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for updating the page. I tried to do exactly this, I failed, so I guess Ill read the guidlines once again and add some more references. I assume you must be getting loads of similar studd (edit: "stuff" of course:-), so thanks a lot Jamesullus (talk) 14:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Beekeeping translation

You kindly left me user:Byeboer_wa some pointers so I thought you might be able to help me. I started to translate the beekeeping wikipedia into Afrikaans and posted the first section. Some nasty people User:The undertow came along and deleted the page. How to I get it back on track? This (CSD A2) don't make much sense and only speak of articles going into English. Much appreciated.

Someone has moved it to User:Byeboer wa/Byeboerdery. Sting_au Talk 11:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I placed a request on the help desk after talking to you. Did not realized that a separate wikis excited for each language. It's a slow learning process. Even copied some of your ideas, if you don't mind. Byeboer (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 11:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rossi

That would be a really BIG help. --Laz6789 (talk) 22:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I have the idea now...I will work on it. Thanks much for the initial instruction. I will get the ISBN numbers also later. Thanks again.--Laz6789 (talk) 22:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Any idea on how this entry should be categorized? Thanks much. --Laz6789 (talk) 23:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] G'day, Mate!

Sorry Stinger, but I've only just seen the note you left on my talk page. I've made a comment at: talk:breed standard#Proposed merging sections of this article to another page. Regards, Quill (talk) 22:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Contesting a CfD result

You can list it on deletion review. Be sure that you read the guidelines there. The better you follow the guidelines with reasoning in your nomination, the better your chances for having a decision overturned. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:38, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:People with intellectual impairment

Hello. Sorry, yes, Category:People with intellectual impairment seems more like it. My mistake. Could you relist it and explain that I screwed up? I'd do it myself but I'm just heading off to the airport. Again, sorry about that, Angus McLellan (Talk) 09:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sound Factory (band) Notability & Neutrality

I've noticed Sound Factory band's article and it has a relevant reference, they are in the review section of Rolling Stone Magazine Online so please think about if it is the case to suspend the tags about neutrality and notability. As far as I know they are a great band trying to emerge in the US, considering that they are Italians and that the project features one of the most amazing living I guitarists I guess they are really outstanding and we just can give them the time to add awards and more press coverage to come in the future months...Also it seems they are almost a legend the italian jazz/pop music scene...

Heartfullofjazz (talk) 02:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mountain God

Hi! I created a page about a Pervian mountain spirit called Apus. Here is link to the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_god Would you mind cleaning it up or editing it? And changing the title? Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 22:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Faster than a speeding bullet

You too can rollback vandalism faster than a speeding bullet with the incredible new Wikipedia:Rollback feature. Basically like undo or Twinkle, but will rollback all of a vandal's edits with a single click. You can either request it at WP:RFR, or alternatively just leave a note on my talk page and I'll push the button. Happy New Year, Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:39, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Should be enabled now. All the best, Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:26, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cricket Archive

Cricket Archive is an extremely solid source of cricket references and all the figures quoted in the articles I'm doing about Yorkshire CCC grounds are quoted there. Nick mallory (talk) 06:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Slavia Sofia

Hi Sting! You added "unreferenced" tag to BK Slavia Sofia, but I'd like to show you that the external link, even if it's in cyrillic, it's very easy to understand and it shows the information written in the text... :) Take care! ;) --Roberto86 (talk) 10:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List Of Thunderclan Cats

U my friend are not going to delete it again got it Good—Preceding unsigned comment added by Montana Gy (talk • contribs) 04:12, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rick Roeber

I have done some work since you last visited Rick Roeber. While a lot of the links to media notability were deleted by Grey Wanderer, it is still pretty clear that the guy has notability. The FOX News spot is TOTALLY about Roeber and not just a sidebar, and KC Star article is a lengthy article that appeared as the lead article in the Sunday Preview Magazine section. --yarkoski1012 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 17:26, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bharat Pumps & Compressors (notability tag)

In re your {{notability}} tag on this article, please note that the company is owned by the Government of India, which says a lot, given India's nationalist/socialist economic background. Additionally, there are several links on google that talk to the company's background, etc. [1]. There isn't much content in the article, I admit, and I have already added a "stub" tag to it. If a company with revenue of over $200 million isn't notable, I don't what is. AreJay (talk) 03:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Replied here. Sting_au Talk 05:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your note. I think the confusion might have come from the term "Department of Public Enterprise". The Department of Public Enterprise (http://www.dpe.nic.in) is owned by the Government of India. Basically, BPCL, and other public sector undertakings (PSUs) are all owned by the government and managed through the Department of Public Enterprise. I've gone ahead and clarified the citation. Can you take a look at it and tell me if this is what you were looking for? Thanks AreJay (talk) 14:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Check this out...

Wikipedia:Meetup/Brisbane 2 - I'll run a bot to canvass tomorrow, but I though you might like to know in advance(ish). Dihydrogen Monoxide 11:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :-) Sting au Buzz Me... 02:08, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White leaf phenomenon

AfD's shouldn't be closed by people who are involved in them, admins or not. So Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White leaf phenomenon shouldn't have been closed as it was. It looks to me like it was heading for a delete rather than a redirect outcome, but it hadn't been open that long. I've reopened the AfD. Thanks for letting me know. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:08, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

If you see an XfD that's had five days or so, where the arguments are all pretty much on one side and make sense to you, it's a big help if you go ahead and close discussions that are keep/merge/redirect. Any questions, give me a yell. All the best, Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:26, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Schools proposal

There need not be consensus to reject a proposal, only a lack thereof to accept it. Discussion died out without any consensus being reached, that's the general way that happens. Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:41, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Again, generally speaking, that's not the way that goes. One just happens to notice that a proposal has fizzled, and tags it rejected. It's not unusual, and there's certainly no requirement for committee approval—simply a lack of consensus to adopt the proposal after a reasonable amount of discussion. If you note the exact wording of the tag, it states "A rejected proposal is any for which consensus to support is not present and seems unlikely to form, regardless of whether there is active discussion or not", not "A rejected proposal is one which consensus agreed to reject." The status quo is the default; in the absence of strong consensus to make them, changes are rejected. Such consensus is not present there, and is unlikely to form (especially given the multitude of previous failures), so the proposal is rejected. No committee need decide so. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:44, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Native American Indian Dogs

I really appreciate the time you took to help me out. Again, adding spam to Wikipedia was the last thing I had in mind. I dug through the Internet to find as much as I could. If you have the time and interest, I would be very grateful if you took a look at the page as I have it now, and tell me if this is an improvement, or if I've just gone and made it worse. :p I'm not entirely certain how to find people to work on this. And I wouldn't be surprised if you don't hear back from the breeder for a week or so. Did you write Karen Markel or Shirley Allen? Or someone else? Shirley is a great person, but she's very busy, and while her response time on questions about the dogs themselves is amazing, she often doesn't get to less urgent things that quickly. I can't speak for Karen because I got my NAID from Shirley and have never worked with her. Anyway, thanks very much for your time even if you can't. :) Nanimwe (talk) 20:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hydrophilite

Hi! I created a page about a mineral called Hydrophilite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrophilite Could you edit please? Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 20:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Meetup/Brisbane 2

Hey there. You've expressed an interest in attending this - please see the project page to confirm your attendance and the proposed date/time/place. Thanks, Dihydrogen Monoxide (party) 07:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arnold Murray

I had a quick read through and have decided he is a quack. My initial feeling, looking through the refs is that he is non notable. I will do some further looking around to see if I can improve his article and assert notability, but I have grave doubts. -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 06:00, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] holger weins (facedesigner)

Is wikipedia.org only for international stars and not for european celebs? why will you delete the article about this makeup-Artist? I can´t believe it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timoweber (talk • contribs) 12:26, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Hey, thanks for editing and improving the Stuttgart American High School website! I assumed it was an alumnus of SAHS, but just looked at the history and noted that it was you. Don't know why you helped, but in any case ... thanks. Mark mmdemos@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.175.57 (talk) 21:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Iterated Systems Inc.

I have posted information about Iterated Systems Inc.

The company no longer exists (did so in the 1990's) but is important historically for role in fractal image compression.

If there any way to get this historically important article back?

Technodo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Technodo (talk • contribs) 10:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Arnold Murray

An article that you have been involved in editing, Arnold Murray, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arnold Murray (2nd nomination). Thank you. Camaron | Chris (talk) 16:39, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] proud to be a mother

Thank you Sting au. It's probably hugely obvious that I am a bit of a wiki newborn. It was really annoying me that I had successfully done the other boxes but had reams of coding with the mother one. I will attempt to put it right! Thanks again! Nicstick (talk) 14:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] not spam

I wonder why you deleted the page on musician Pete Samples. This entry did not violate section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion as it was written in accordance with Wikipedia's standards for biographies of living people, (ie. "written responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone"), and is not an advertisment for the artist. I am not in any place to do publicity for this musician, and there was no legitimate cause to delete the page.

Other musicians similar to this artist are written in much the same way:

Hexes and Ohs

Vitaminsforyou

Antoine Bédard

Eggsblue (talk) 19:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)eggsblue

Firstly showing me other articles doesn't impress me. See WP:OTHERSTUFF. As for the "Advertisment" There was a link directly to a site to buy the CD. And I think from memory a MySpace page and that was it for links. No WP:RS so no WP:V but blatant advertising was the call (it was previously speedied for that reason). I didn't delete it however as I am not a sysop. Sting au Buzz Me... 22:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I was not trying to impress you by showing other articles. I was simply attempting to address the content and format of these articles and their similarity to the one that I originally wrote. There were no direct links to buy a CD in the article I wrote. One was to the artist's page on CBC Radio 3, a valued and respected Canadian radio station, another was to the artist's homepage, which does not sell albums (it does, incidentally give one away for free), and finally, there was a MySpace link. As for the previous entry that was deleted last year, I can't comment on it, as I was not responsible for posting. I will be posting the same article again, perhaps with a few minor adjustments, and hope that it remains. Thanks.

Eggsblue (talk) 22:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)eggsblue

Well please take a look at WP:NOTE and when you recreate the page add a "References" section right from the start. Nothing gets a page deleted quicker than no reliable sources. Forget about MySpace pages and own websites as they do nothing for an article. You need reported in the media type references. Check WP:MUSIC for resources etc. Better luck next time, but do your homework. Sting au Buzz Me... 22:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kolath

I just found an article while doing new page patrol which is called Kolath Family. Is this a recreation of Kolath which was deleted by you after an AfD discussion? Sting au Buzz Me... 04:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll investigate it. Thanks for the report. JERRY talk contribs 04:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Indeed, word-for-word, bit-for-bit repost. Thanks again. I have dealt with it. JERRY talk contribs 05:01, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Karizma (jazz group)

Hello there. I'm an old-time Wikipedia user, but a complete newbie as to writing articles. I'm not sure I understood why the piece I wrote about Karizma got removed. You mentioned relevance. I assume the article would need to explain the band's importance in order to deserve an entry, is that it?

While we are at it, let me ask you this: what is the relevance of the other "Karizma" entry, about the Bulgarian pop duo? Shouldn't it also be deleted on the same grounds? It seems just as pointless.

Thanks much and best regards!

Peter Marx (Talk) Feb. 3, 2008 - 7:40 EDT —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermarx (talk • contribs) 12:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wilmington Montessori School deletion dispute

I've responded to your comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wilmington Montessori School. Please feel free to put the content anywhere that is appropriate. This is my first foray into wikipedia and am learning as I go. As you can see, I began the entry just this morning. So far today, I've quickly followed Moonriddengirl's advice on proper posting by removing the promotional content that came from the WMS website. I have also removed the WMS logo until I properly understand how it should be flagged/tagged so that I can use it like other school logo's that I see on the site. I'm continuing to read usage guidelines, policies, and procedures while trying to get a good grasp on editing and formatting. Any guidance is much appreciated. Regards. Daddy.twins (talk) 00:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


Sting au, Thanks for your recent guidance on Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Wilmington_Montessori_School. Initially, you indicated a 'weak keep'. I have been reviewing many of the WP policies and guidelines over the last few days. I have also been revising the article with the help of other editors and have completed the following,

  • Two additional references regarding national grants - the first by the US Environmental Protection Agency; and, the second by Toyota and the National Science Teacher's Association.
  • Added Montessori Life reference that "Wilminglon [sic] Montessori School ... Delaware's oldest and largest Montessori school..." [2]

With the additional recent work toward establishing notability and the additional comments by other experienced editors, I would appreciate if you could review Wilmington Montessori School, Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/Wilmington_Montessori_School, and Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Wilmington_Montessori_School again and provide your opinion.

Regards. --Daddy.twins (talk) 00:40, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Great Darkness Saga

I am sorry, but your rewrite of Great Darkness Saga is still far too close to the text at http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1040479 and so I have had no choice but to delete it under WP:CSD#G12 as a copyright infringement. CIreland (talk) 16:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I never rewrote this page? It's not mine and I'm not worried about it being deleted. I think you must have me mixed up with someone else? Sting au Buzz Me... 10:58, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for helping in posting the cfd notices

I appreciate your help in posting the notices. Thanks!!! BRMo (talk) 00:57, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Impressed

Solomon Wiseman was created 2 minutes ago and you've wacked a category on it already. Most impressive! Gillyweed (talk) 03:51, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Me again :)

Hey mate, how're things. Any news on Wikipedia:Meetup/Brisbane 2? dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 09:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm good thanks buddy :-) Work has been busy. Still find time to relax here finding articles in need of TLC. Haven't thought much about the meetup. I probably wont get to it though. I'm still down as a maybe so see how it goes. Sting au Buzz Me... 11:02, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
T'was good - we'll have to do one when you're available in future :) dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 11:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] thanks

Thank you for your attention, I have just added the external links section. --Rubikonchik (talk) 13:22, 10 February 2008 (UTC)Rubikonchik

[edit] Gold Coast Hospital

Thanks for the work you have done on the Gold Coast Hospital article. --WikiCats (talk) 05:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Invisible text

These are further sources for which the articles have not progressed enough to add. Minor but interesting details.

In the case you mentioned - did you ever wonder what happened to those huge Passenger Pigeon nesting sites that are mentioned in old texts? It is very hard to find any information even on where they were. Now I happened across this old report in Wilson Bulletin volume 18 pages 47 and on ("WilsonBull18:47" in shorthand), which briefly mentions that several roosting (and possibly nesting) sites were in Seneca County, Ohio. The Passenger Pigeon article does not discuss nesting locations in detail, so this single brief source (actually just a single sentence) cannot be comfortably added... yet. But as the article progresses, such information will become relevant, and now the source is on record and can be added when needed. See also here for journal title abbreviations. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 08:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Irvington, New York

Just curious - why "B"? What's missing from the article (which I've been laboring over for a while now.) Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk / cont) 07:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Doczilla's RfA

.: Oh, no! There goes To-ky-o! Admin Doczilla! :.

[edit] School diva

You were too hasty in withdrawing your nomination for this article. The sources that have been found for it seem to be phony (just looking for hits on the phrase without checking the contet or relevance) and, in any case, the article seems to fail WP:DICDEF. At best, it is a redirect to diva. The fact that this role may occur in school is no big deal. I'm going to put some tags on it. Colonel Warden (talk) 08:37, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Sundaymail bne frontpage.jpg

Hmmm, there must be something missing from its NFUR to attract the attention of the bot again..?  SEO75 [talk] 07:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] hi

Hi Sting. I appreciate what youare doing but I need toget my article one for school, ok

Also I agree wqith all your hobbies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samtore (talk • contribs) 12:20, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

The article you created already exists under another name. I suggest you work on that one as I've turned your page into a redirect. Sting au Buzz Me... 12:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] KCHJ

KCHJ

Hi Sting.

The category could be Radio Stations or Country Music - Bakersfield Sound. Bakersfield is only 32 miles from Delano, the location of KCHJ. Also KCHJ is already referenced in Wikipedia under its new ownership.

Bill Woods was one of the DJs for a year or 2. He might be in Wikipedia as a famous performer.

I am new to this so I appreciate your help!

Wnewbury (talk) 02:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)WNewbury

[edit] KCHJ mentioned in a newspaper

Hi Sting,

There was a very short article in the Bakersfield Californian newspaper titled Mighty Voice of the Valley Silenced. Or something similar. It was about KCHJ being sold and changing its format to Spanish. I don't know exactly when it was published and it may be too short to be catalogued by the newspaper.

Wnewbury (talk) 02:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)WNewbury

[edit] KCHJ Delano CA

Hi Sting,

Bakersfield and Delano are in Central California.

Bakersfield is very famous in the world of COuntry Music. If Nashville TN is the number one place for Country Music, then Bakersfield is number 2.

Buck Owens, Merle Haggard, Billy Mize, Cousin Herb Henson, Red Simpson, Bill Woods and Ferlin Husky are just some of the COuntry Music stars who got their start in Bakersfield.

There is a distinct style in Country Music called the Bakersfield Sound.

Wnewbury (talk) 02:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)Wnewbury

[edit] WikiProject Brisbane

Just a reminder that WikiProject Brisbane needs your help. There have been a number of changes to the project page over recent days and I hope you could spare some time to take a look, be bold and add some touches yourself.

There is plenty that needs to be done to get more Brisbane articles up to FA standard. Please come and discuss this and lets see if we can build up this project.

Your details were taken from Category:WikiProject Brisbane members Nicholas Perkins (T•C) 05:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Removal of References and Notability Tag

Re: Article on Ohio Institute of Technology

What references or reference style is appropriate to "untag" this article? I had the following references for verification and notability on the article entry for "Ohio Institute of Technology" that were removed:

1. Ohio Secretary of State Tradename Registration for 11/01/2002 (PDF File Image of Document)

2. An offer to provide Academic Institutional References to applicable parties upon request. (should I upload business letters as references?)

3. A link to the US Copyright Site to view the 50 page Accredited University catalog as a "published source".

The catalog is co-branded and published in conjunction with Youngstown State University. Should I just do an APA style reference to the catalog as a third party publication source through Youngstown State University?

I would appreciate someone reading the entire article and providing feedback as to what references are necessary and appropriate and in what form. This would be helpful prior to removal of the references and tagging the article. Your feedback is appreciated. Thanks for your help.

--William B. Hall 00:21, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citing sources

I nearly always cite sources, as you can see if you take a look at articles I've authored. What particular area are you concerned about in this case? VanTucky 00:50, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Once I'm finished expanding and sourcing Squab (food), I plan on going back and reworking the section to be in line with the applicable cites. I do think it's rather laughable for you to ask for cites when almost all of the article (and the section I edited) is presently uncited. VanTucky 00:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey, if it ain't cited it's fair game. VanTucky 01:11, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how soon you wanted to start work on Domestic Pigeon, but here is a superb book for use as a source. VanTucky 01:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't really think mentioning one particular plant is relevant to squab worldwide at this point. Besides, Blechman has a really obvious anti-squb bias in writing about the plant and the slaughter process, as noted in the NY Times review. But it's definitely useful for some factual verification of history and such. VanTucky 02:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stop being aussie pt. 2

Hmm... he mentioned a state-published catalog. That may be citeable; however, uploaded documents can't be cited, unfortunately. In terms of citations, I'd suggest he reads WP:CITE, WP:RS and WP:V for more information. Hope that helps, Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 01:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Tricky tricky... well, I can help look around if you'd like. Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 04:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
It does look pretty spiffy if I may say so myself. Anyway, I'll see you around. Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 04:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] OIT Further References

Have added a State of Ohio county site that list the courses as official joint curriculum between OIT and Youngstown State University.

Added references to Government documents in APA style that show founding date and retirement date of organization according to Official records of the Ohio Secretary of State for both periods.

Added reference to Public Law and WIA/WIBs that were sanctioned by US Congress to have Private Industry & Public Education contributing to councils regarding educational matters.

Added reference about the state of Education and initiative changes to educational policies.

Added reference supporting the 2000s recession and unemployment rate with a need to transition economy to a "knowledge economy".

Will add reference to Published Copyright source Online once I have the document no. to show the existence of joint published materials with OIT and a Public University.

What other information, data or references do you think might be appropriate?

William B. Hall 23:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Will be adding

[edit] Pigeons

Yeah mate, I fly racing pigeons on the Central Coast. Thanks for the userbox. I put a lot of work into the Pigeon racing article last year, I actually completely re-wrote the article. I was planning on trying to get it to FA, but never got time to complete it. The image at the top of the page is actually one of my race winners from 2006. Abbott75 ღ 05:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Native Instruments

Hi Sting au - NI definitely meets notability requirements, even if the article is a bit shoddy. I don't do any significant edits there since I work for them, but here are a few references links just from the first couple pages of google hits: [3], [4], [5] It's actually the largest pro-audio software company. Scott.wheeler (talk) 14:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Meh, since there's been no responce I am going to go ahead and do this myself. There's a short thread that popped up on the Talk page, should you care to discuss this further. Scott.wheeler (talk) 05:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
My reply here. Sting au Buzz Me... 05:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rock Pigeon

fixed that and added some stuff. Pity there isn't a definite picture of a non-feral bird of the nominate race (the flying bird probably is, but don't know where photographed and can't see its back). Jimfbleak (talk) 15:26, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] You PROD tag on Michael Battista

I have replaced the PROD tag with csd g1. A similar incident happened like two days ago with David Cheriton. See its AfD here. I think this is a pattern, maybe a vandal? Thank You. Weltanschaunng 10:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, its still not gone. Well I have tagged it as hoax. I will talk to some admin I know, maybe he will do something about it. Weltanschaunng 14:14, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Well it went. All it took was the hoax tag, I guess. Weltanschaunng 14:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: comment

I included the county names in the titles of the Nebraska Township articles because a significant number of townships that share the same name. For example, I can think of at least five named Logan and Grant. I did every article in this format for uniformity. I looked at other state's township articles and it was common practice there as well. Right now, the only way to access the township articles is through the county page or by using the county template, which is at the bottom of each article. I have been working on these articles for a little over a week now, but when I complete all of them, I do plan to create the necessary disambiguation pages as you suggested. Thanks. --Acntx (talk) 13:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] No content in Category:Uncategorized from December 2007

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[edit] Re: Welcome

Hi Sting au,

Thanks for the welcome. I made a bit of a cock-up on the Bee-keeping page, it was meant to be 15000 years BC everywhere, thanks for tidying it up, although it says 15000 years now. History looks a bit of a mess now, sorry about that. I do enjoy using Wikipedia but find information to be inaccurate around the place, however I know that's why everyone helps out fixing it :D. I don't make a great many edits, so I'll just potter along for now as I can't put the commitment into joining a group at the moment. Feel free to point out any mistakes I make as I find the list of rules are somewhat endless and daunting to get through. Thanks again. --Karengpve (talk) 23:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] March 2008

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Cave Clan. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. seicer | talk | contribs 01:41, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hutt Valley Fencing Club

Hi Sting au - are you sure you want to speedy delete the HVFC article? I was about to work with some people here in NZ to get some facts into it about its place in NZ sporting history, etc. It's not like a run of the mill club. No hard feelings at all if you disagree, but I was hoping these folks might have a chance to develop the article before deletion. Thanks - let me know your thoughts.

Cheers,--Georgette.mccallum (talk) 09:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hutt Valley Fencing Club

Thanks for your prompt reply to my discussion page, Sting. I'll take your advice on board and see if I can get some others to build up the proposed article before proceeding. Cheers,--Georgette.mccallum (talk) 21:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding deletion of Rude Star Hi-Fi

Hi Sting... Can you please let me know why Rude Star Hi-Fi is up for speedy deletion? Thanks Jonas Bæk (talk) 09:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

My reply here. Sting au Buzz Me... 10:05, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RfA Thanks

Thanks!

[edit] re: Wikipedia:Notability (schools)

It's okay to disagree with me if you think that there is a possibility that consensus could eventually be reached but reversion without explanation was uncalled for. Please explain why you think that the decision to tag that proposal as {{historical}} was inappropriate. Rossami (talk) 23:35, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

My reply here. Sting au Buzz Me... 06:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for the somewhat harsh reaction last night but I consider the default TWINKLE wording to be weasel wording and have a great difficultly retaining my assumption of good faith when it is applied. Reverts without explanation are appropriate for vandalism and bad-faith edits. Reverts of good-faith contributions deserve the courtesy of an explanation. A revert does not somehow get more acceptable by adding the boilerplate "good-faith edit" when it is so rarely intended as such. That default edit summary is so frequently misused that it gets no credibility anymore. It's a pet peeve of mine but not, I think, an uncommon one.
On your other point, I explained my edit both in the edit summary and here on the Talk page. I understand that you find the proposal useful. The Talk page makes it clear that others do not. I can not find evidence that this proposal is moving any closer to gaining acceptance. No one seems to be working on it anymore - including you. If it really is sitting idle and not moving in any direction - well, that's what the {{historical}} category is for. We can always resurrect it if someone wants to actually work on it again. For now, no one seems inclined. Rossami (talk) 16:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] iJailbreak

Hang on! It's not an advert... I was just trying to start a stub. It's not a commercial product in any case, so no selling is involved. I took a break from page-creation, and page is deleted by the time I got back to continue... an hour later. It is notable software, even if only useful to a section of Apple product users. Can we agree that you revert so that I can get on with it? Centrepull (talk) 13:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I didn't delete it. From memory I think I spotted the speedy on it as I was patrolling new pages. Then all I did was mark it as patrolled. Sting au Buzz Me... 21:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inbreeding

Hello, Why did you remove my addition to the "inbreeding" article as "unreferenced additions". I think I give 2 references for the two main methods for computing inbreeding, after having given the precise definition of inbreeding (which was given nowhere in the article). Mic comte (talk) 08:56, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I reverted back too far. I have restored your edit.--Sting au Buzz Me... 04:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Mic comte (talk) 11:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please Reply.

Media:Example.ogg

Hellow Sting,Namaste!This is Ganitha,Wikipedia user.Sorry for saying that you have crucially removed the names in Notable Alumni in Sri Venkateswara Junior College in the name of verifiability.Could you please explain how the alumni from the college can prove their alumnous?Or are there any reasons for the removal?Why couldn't you answer my question in talk page of Sri Venkateswara Junior College?The names in that list are genuine.How can one think that the names gets listed in Alumni without reason?I think you will surely satisfy if the name,Chintapalli David Raju gets kicked from Wikipedia completely.Thank You.Waiting for your reply. ---Ganitha (talk) 13:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ganitha (talk • contribs) 12:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.--Sting au Buzz Me... 12:12, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Krys Ivory

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[edit] Edit Summary Field

Sorry Sting - I completely forgot it. I wonder if I edit once more, actually edit nothing, then fill in the edit summary field of my previous changes. I shall do that if i don't hear from you. --Hezzie Q (talk) 04:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lori Rom

Hi! I recently added some info to an article about an actress called Lori Rom. Would you mind editing it? Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lori_Rom. Thank! Neptunekh (talk) 16:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Sting

Hi Sting and thank you for the kindly welcome to Wikipedia. --OnorioCatenacci (talk) 18:43, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] My User Page

Hi Sting! Thanks for replying to me! Would you mind editing my user page and see if I have any spelling mistakes or anything wrong on the page? Here's the link to my userpage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Neptunekh Can you change the boxes around so I have more room to type for my profile? I would also like the box stating this user is an adult. Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 22:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My User Page

Thank you but what about adding a user box saying this user is an adult? I saw that userbox once, but I can't find it anymore. Neptunekh (talk) 23:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't find it either. Just keep a look out for it.--Sting au Buzz Me... 23:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pigeon articles

Hi Sting, after checking a couple more pigeon breed articles I had come to the same realisation and was going to revert the changes anyway. Sorry for the inconvenience. Cheers. Maias (talk) 22:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Aviculture/Pigeons Taskforce

Hi Sting. Would you be interested in joining an aviculture/pigeons taskforce as part of the Birds Wikiproject? --OnorioCatenacci (talk) 18:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting, Yes, it was proposed to make a subproject and personally I think there's enough material to justify an aviculture subproject, and a pigeon subproject below that. I guess you're right; we could create a subproject--just seemed as if it might make sense to do a taskforce first to see how much response we get. --OnorioCatenacci (talk) 23:31, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting, Hope you don't mind but I filched your pigeon fancier user box. :-) I think it would make most sense to either create an "aviculture" subproject and then a "columbiculture" subproject below that or to directly create a "columbiculture" subproject below the bird project. What do you think? --OnorioCatenacci (talk) 23:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

It may help us to get an aviculture subproject off the ground (pardon the pun) if everyone that is interested in working on it expresses their interest here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Aviculture --OnorioCatenacci (talk) 09:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting--thanks for that edit on the Pigeon_keeping article. In fact, I think we should heavily refactor that article. Rather than rehash what I said, maybe you could take a look at the Pigeon Keeping Discussion page. --Onorio (talk) 19:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting -- I understand about the Category stuff but I thought aviculture basically covered any domesticated bird--including pigeons. I mean I know it covers Parrots and other hookbills but I also thought it includes poultry and pigeons--as I said basically any bird that mankind has modified from the wild type. Am I misunderstanding something? --Onorio (talk) 12:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting. I guess it comes down to how one understands the term "aviculture". And, yes, as I've seen it used here in the US it pretty much refers to cultivation of hookbills. So I guess in that sense I agree. But I got the impression that the project Snowman was promoting took a little broader interpretation of that term. Either way, I think you're right because I think that most people who are familiar with the term aviculture associate it with hookbills.--Onorio (talk) 15:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Sting

Thanks for I all you done for me. Hey I'm just curious it's say on your userpage you're from Australia? I'm from Canada! What part of Austrailia are you from you? I'm from Vancouver! Please reply back to me ok! Bye! Neptunekh (talk) 15:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Issues With Pigeon Articles

Hi Sting, I understand if you feel that you can't support the aviculture project. I don't think we need a project to improve the pigeon articles--would just make it a little easier to coordinate effort is all. I know I'm intending to keep on improving the pigeon articles as best I can and I know you are too.

Speaking of the pigeon articles there are a few subjects about which I'd like to hear your thinking:

  • Standards: On some breeds there are differing breed standards between the US and Europe and maybe in South Africa and Australia too. I think the best thing to do would be to include all the breed standards we can find and identify the endorsing organization. What do you think?
No real need for a breed standard in a breed article. In Oz the general practice is to use Country of origin breed standard for a particular breed. I think Europe uses that practice also. The USA tends to make their own standards. A breed article can live without a full breed standard being included. A summary of breed characteristics is all that is needed. Main thing is to find references for the breed.--Sting au Buzz Me... 11:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Breed Groups: Do you think we should add to each breed description which breed group it falls under in European and US and Australian breed groupings? Think we might add that as a category to each article?
Again I wouldn't worry about groupings. Add see also wikilinks to some articles to link to similar breeds i.e pouters & croppers etc. Most countries recognise fancy, flying and utility so that grouping can be considered as pretty much universal. Someone did stuff up the list of pigeon breeds a while ago but I reverted things back. Try to keep the articles written from a rest of world perspective. Can't do that with breeds like American Show Racers etc, but no point getting bogged down with explaining minor differences in how breeds are grouped. --Sting au Buzz Me... 11:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Pigeon Judging: I think we would be wise to create an article on the different judging styles in different places where pigeons are kept. I know European judging is different from US judging and I don't know how it's done in Australia or South Africa or the UAE or any other place where pigeons are kept. What do you think?
No. An article on Pigeon Shows is a good idea. That could include a section/s on judging styles. If sections get big enough to warrant an article i.e. have their own WP:RS refs then split them off then and only then.--Sting au Buzz Me... 11:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I look forward to hearing from you and continuing to work together to improve the articles here regarding domesticated pigeons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OnorioCatenacci (talk • contribs) 11:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm replying here this time. I see SineBot beat you to the draw ;-) --Sting au Buzz Me... 11:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot to sign my last message. I'll read over your responses and if I have anything intelligent in response, I'll respond.--Onorio (talk) 19:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

You're correct about the copyright issues but I wouldn't think it would be difficult to secure permission to put those standards on the web. I would think a bigger issue would be reliable sourcing for history and such. And if we were to simply reproduce the breed standard, it'd probably make about as much sense to simply attach a pdf file of the breed standard that people can download. Maybe we could look at what the dog and cat fanciers have done (assuming they've done anything with Wikipedia) and use that as a sort of template.

As far as a digital camera and access to pigeon shows, I've got both but the show season is pretty much done over here till October or so. There's also the issue of securing permission to use an image of a pigeon that you don't own. I don't know what the copyright laws say about that sort of thing so we need to research that too I'd guess.

--Onorio (talk) 21:44, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Youtube link removal

Hi. You recently removed a just-added Youtube link from the honey bee article; that same editor has added that link or similar ones from youtube to several pages now - on the whole, they do seem relevant to the articles that they were added to, so I'm wondering what WP policy has been violated by the link, and whether the other additions need to be removed as well? Dyanega (talk) 17:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.--Sting au Buzz Me... 10:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Sting

Hi Sting! How are doing? Sting is there anyway I can see a picture of you? Here's a picture of me: http://photos.connectingsingles.com/dating/184/British_Columbia_personals_375994.jpg What do you think? Neptunekh (talk) 11:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC) Let me know ok? Bye! Neptunekh (talk) 11:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.--Sting au Buzz Me... 11:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More Pigeon Article Discussion

Hi Sting, I'd also like to start developing articles regarding certain pigeon publications. Magazines (both in and out of print), books (The Pigeon, J C Lyell's Fancy Pigeons, Moore's Columbariaum), and key people related to pigeon keeping (Wendell M. Levi, William Pensom, Willard Hollander). I had a couple of things I wanted to ask you:

  • Do you think I should proceed with this idea?
  • Where do you think they'd fit in the hierarchy of articles already in place?

I am interested in your thoughts on this Sting.--Onorio (talk) 22:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.--Sting au Buzz Me... 12:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

That was a good addition to the pigeon keeping article Sting. --Onorio (talk) 01:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] German Pigeon Club Links

Hi Sting, I noticed you added an alert that those two links I added were in German (thanks for that, because I didn't realize I needed to identify that) and I noticed you mentioned something about footnoting them later. I'm not sure I'm following you--why do they need to be footnoted? If someone doubts the veracity of what's being said they can just follow the link. Or am I missing something? --Onorio (talk) 15:18, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting, thanks for the fix up. I think I've improved the situation with the cites regarding the German pigeon clubs in the Pigeon keeping article but take a look and see what you think. --Onorio (talk) 01:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Australia-New Zealand relations is ACOTF

Australia-New Zealand relations is the new Australian collaboration. You voted for the article, so please help to improve it in any way you can. --Scott Davis Talk 14:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stinger Report Page

Thank you Veinor for your support in helping us understand the requirements of what is quite a different process than we are use to. I would however request Sting that he dose not allude to The Stinger Report as "amounts to email spam", no matter meant as a question, this can be taken the wrong way. In answer to your last points:

  • Writing Style / Tone - we were accused of being too 'advertorial', so the page has been nearly completely re-written and toned down
  • References - we were asked to change the quotes to reference about us, and not written by us. This has been down, with the insertcredit.com reference removed - replaced for a interview with our founder that dose explain the service and inclusion of a bio written about us for the GameDeveloper Conference session
  • Links - all links were re-drafted and presented as requested

You have to understand that we created this page as a number of Wiki pages / categories (Exergaming, Simulator Rides, Video Arcades etc.,) are using quotes, links or direct cuts from the Stinger Report and we felt a pages was needed - it would seem weird that they can use our material but we are unable to have a page.

Finally I am concerned that because of the size of the amusement media scene we are used widely by the trade and have a established track record, but are limited to references other than our work being used by everyone. I notice our industries largest trade journal (RePlay) has not been given a Wiki entry because it only has its reference. Is this the case for Wiki entry, as I feel uncomfortable to a possible exclusion of amusement trade? Stingerreport (talk) 01:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

The above comments cut and pasted from this AfD.--Sting au Buzz Me... 03:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
The article claims that The Stinger Report is "a free subscription service with subscribers from around the world." How many actual "subscribers" are there?--Sting au Buzz Me... 03:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

The Stinger Report is circulated to over 10,000 subscribed and verified email addresses over six times a month. Subscribers can sign up at the web site or approach the Stinger directly. This is stated in the Page, though the circulation number is not as it was claimed that this would be 'puffing' us up if we reported our numbers?? Dose this address your question? 84.9.85.219 (talk) 10:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes that answers my question thank you.--Sting au Buzz Me... 22:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Seventh Coin

Hi Sting! Would you mind editing a page called the Seventh coin? I added to that page recently? Here's the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seventh_Coin Thanks!Neptunekh (talk) 00:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More Modifications To Pigeon Keeping

Hi Sting, in continuation of our on-going efforts to improve the Pigeon keeping article, I added page numbers to those citations that I could trace down to a page in a book and I added a bit more to the pigeon housing section of the article. Just wanted to give you a heads up.--Onorio (talk) 22:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Loft vs. Coop: I've heard them called "coops" far more than I've heard them called "lofts"--by several different pigeon fanciers. Maybe the word "coop" to refer to the pigeon house is a more American usage. If you asked me what they're generally called here in the US, I'd say "coop". You can revert the wording if you like but I think the difference is mostly semantic and honestly, I hear (and have heard all of my life) them referred to more often as a pigeon coop than as a loft. Since I have heard them referred to both ways, I used the word "sometimes" to indicate that pigeon fanciers use both names (so far as I know). I mean, as far as I know fanciers in the UK and Scotland refer to them as cotes or crees (I've seen that word used for pigeon houses in several articles in newspapers in the UK) and certainly that would allow for a name other than "loft". I had pigeons for several years in my youth and I've had them again for about 15 years as an adult so I am also speaking from some experience (as I know you are).

Upon further reflection, I guess the word "generally" would be more appropriate in this context. I'll leave in my remarks above for whatever they're worth but I think you've got a valid point on that issue and I'll revert that wording.

Maybe you can fix the Levi references so that they are named and yet they also retain the page numbers. That's what I was trying to achieve (adding proper page numbers to the references, I mean) and when you name them only the first page number is referenced. Try it in the sandbox and see if I'm wrong--I may be missing something. To me, it's more important to keep the page number in the reference than it is to have them all named with the same name. Perhaps there is some other usage of the ref tag that might be appropriate in this case? As far as I can tell, they're not all referring to the same page of "The Pigeon" so I think it's more appropriate to list them singly. I think the correct case would be for them all to have the same name only if they're referring to the exact same source (down to the page I would think). I would think that if we want to get Pigeon keeping to Good Article status we need to reference specific page numbers in books where it's possible. Again, if I've misunderstood something, please feel free to correct me.--Onorio (talk) 00:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Reply moved to here.--Sting au Buzz Me... 06:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I hadn't really had time to respond to your last message.

As far as I'm concerned whether or not that Pigeon keeping article ever gets GA status or FA status, I want to make it as useful as I can for novice pigeon fanciers that may need to use it for reference. I would like to make it sufficiently rigorous such that it can be recognized as a GA or FA but the main reason for being rigorous is for my own satisfaction as a person who cares about propagating knowledge. If a novice fancier has a question, what's the harm in putting the page number in The Pigeon in the citation so they can find the relevant text in the book if they care to? I guess it comes down to the question of who is the audience for the articles. I don't see where there's a huge conflict between making the articles useful to novice pigeon fanciers and still fairly accessible to a non-fancier.

I can see your point about a separate notes section since so many of the citations are from The Pigeon. I guess I'll work on putting in a notes section soon. --Onorio (talk) 01:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting, I expect you've got the page on your watch list but in case you don't I put a note on the pigeon keeping talk page. Please give it a look and let me know what you think if you care to.--Onorio (talk) 23:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List_of_fictional_characters_who_can_manipulate_water

Hi! I added to the page List_of_fictional_characters_who_can_manipulate_water. Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_characters_who_can_manipulate_water I did something wrong on that page. Would you mind fixing it? Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 03:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pigeon Keeping

Hi Sting. I need to print up the WP:MOS and keep it handy when I make edits. Thanks for the fix-ups! --Onorio (talk) 19:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting,

I would like to know your thoughts on a couple of questions:

  1. You wrote on 22 April 2008 that you don't think the Pigeon keeping article is a good candidate for GA. Do you still think it's not a good candidate for the work to bring it up to GA status? If so, would you care to share your thoughts on why it's not a good candidate? Should I be focusing work elsewhere? I am a bit happier with it now because I think, if nothing else, the prose flows a little better.
  2. Is there any reason we can't resubmit Pigeon keeping for peer review to see if we can't get the rating raised from Start class on the quality scale? I mean, I don't want to constantly pester those folks who are doing the reviews but I do believe some significant improvements have been made to that article and even if it's not up to GA standards, I believe it's better than "Start". But if it's considered bad form to ask for a review again before a certain amount of time has passed or something of that sort, I'd rather not be pestering people. --Onorio (talk) 11:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting, Pigeon keeping has been submitted for review. If nothing else, hopefully some good comments will come out of it to help us to better tune the article and get it closer to GA status.--Onorio (talk) 21:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting, Ok--I mistakenly thought that the folks in the Bird Project would be able to mark the article GA. Thanks for setting me straight on that. And looking at the stuff for GA status, I can see you're very right; it still needs a lot of work. So I think I'll try to get some time to work on it a bit more in the next couple of weeks before I submit it for GA review. Thanks again. --Onorio (talk) 21:42, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting, please let me know what you think of the latest edits when you get a chance. I added a bit to the introductory paragraphs. I removed the section on "Disciplines associated with pigeon keeping" because even though we know that it's true, I can't think of a single written source to support the statements I was making. And I added a section on commercial pigeon keeping. That part is little more than a stub at this point, of course, but I think it's germane to the article and certainly something that should be covered in the article.--Onorio (talk) 00:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


Hi Sting, I used the phrase "People who keep pigeons" because it has better parallelism with the title of the article than the phrase "People who breed pigeons". Is there something in the WP:MOS that says that you cannot link with a different word than the referenced link? If there is, would you please point it out to me because I didn't see it.--Onorio (talk) 12:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


Ok, I understand your point now (about breed/keep and the disambiguation page). I mistakenly thought you had some objection to the wording. --Onorio (talk) 00:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Judy Moran

To be honest I have little real interest in the subject or the whole "underbelly" "Melbourne crime war" thing. I just thought that keeping the article was the obvious end to the discussion and I was puzzled to see the AfD end in deletion. I raised the issue with the closing admin for clarification, especially as I generally have a great deal of respect for Bduke's judgement in these matters . If you take it to DRV, I will support overturning the decision on the basis of my message on his talk page but I have no real interest in improving the article. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 23:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pigeon racing

Sorry mate, didn't see the citation there. :)

Anyway, I'd like to restart the push to get pigeon racing to at least GA status. You and I are probably the two users with the most edits on the article, so I'm sure with some teamwork (as well as recruiting others!) we could get this article up there. What do you think? Abbott75 ღ 07:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I've done a few edits to the article tonight. One thing it needs is a good lead section, any ideas on that? Also, I've created Category:Wikipedian pigeon fanciers, this should help us fanciers find one another and beg for help :P Abbott75 ღ 09:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] An Invite to join WikiProject Genetics

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[edit] WikiProject Domestic Pigeons proposal

I have proposed a WikiProject on domestic pigeons to help overcome many of the problems and inconsistancies relating to Wikipedia's coverage of domestic pigeon related topics. Please follow this link and show your support! Abbott75 ღ 09:36, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pigeon keeping

Hi Sting, I'm working on getting Jean Hansell's book on the History of Pigeons but if you could possibly look at the new section I've added on commercial aspects of pigeon keeping and see if it

a.) Accords with your own background and experience

and

b.) is supportable with materials from your reference books

I would appreciate your review and your opinion and of course any grammatical help and citations you care to add. --Onorio (talk) 01:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Domesticated pigeons task force

Rather than waiting for the Wikiproject process which could take quite some time and may not even be worth the trouble, I created a domesticated pigeons task force within WP:BIRDS.--Onorio (talk) 01:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


Hi Sting, Thanks for the kind words about starting the task force. As I said to someone else I just couldn't see a good reason to hold off any more--not like a task force needs the votes that a WikiProject does. Hopefully it will just give us a good place to organize our efforts. Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated since you seem to know your way around WikiPedia far better than do I. I'm just feeling my way along and trying not to blunder too badly. --Onorio (talk) 23:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

See--much smarter than am I. :-) You found all those articles in no time flat; I hadn't even gotten around to looking yet. I'm still kind of feeling my way around about what happens to identify the articles as being within the realm of the domesticated pigeon task force. I also notice there's an article on Cher Ami (which is very cool). Maybe we could work on getting it GA (although it looked pretty strong to me already--maybe they just need to schedule it for a peer review or something). --Onorio (talk) 23:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting,

  1. Feel free to move the userbox if it's more appropriate for it to be in the Template: space. I had a hard time even getting the {{Userbox}} template going in the first place :-)
  2. I wasn't quite sure how to fill in "source" and "author" on that image. The picture was from a photographer that I hired to take pictures at the Grand National when it was held here in Mt. Clemens, Michigan. Is there a help page that specifies how to fill in those parameters?
  3. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU for creating that shortcut!:-) That was driving me crazy. :-) I thought to myself--the shortcut I came up with sure wasn't much of a shortcut! I couldn't figure it out and thank goodness you could and did fix that.

--Onorio (talk) 11:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dovecote page updates

Yes, a lot of the history and architecture items were translated directly from the French page for colombier. Please mark as such if you know how to. As for other updates, I have added my reference notes on the paragraph.BME (talk) 23:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cher Ami, GI Joe and Overcategorization

I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree Sting. I don't believe that tagging Cher Ami or GI Joe with domesticated pigeons is inappropriate or overcategorization. I think that both Cher Ami and GI Joe are certainly germaine to a discussion of domesticated pigeons because they're both an important part of the history of domesticated pigeons' service to mankind.--Onorio (talk) 01:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you see them in Category:Domestic pigeons? I put them there and that's where they belong.--Sting Buzz Me... 02:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stanthorpe

The article says Stanthorpe was buit by tin miners. I did not understand this clearly. If tin miners built this town for mining purpose, then are the mines till exists today? Are mining has influence on local economy today? If not why? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 11:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ice Pigeon

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This Bot is obviously on drugs.--Sting Buzz Me... 00:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Hey Sting, did you look at that ipedia.net website? It looks like they lifted stuff from WP.--Onorio (talk) 15:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes it's a Wiki "mirror" site. The Bots see them and think we are copying them, when it is they who have copied the formats we use on the Wikipedia pigeon breed articles.--Sting Buzz Me... 00:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tumbler

This is a tricky one - I assume, incidentally, that it is never Short-faced? The convention is that unless a proper noun, only the first word is capitalised. However there is an exception, due mainly to strong resistance from WP:BIRDS, that individual projects can vary this, and all bird species are fully capped. Now, breeds are species, but List of pigeon breeds caps throughout]], so I'd be inclined to go for it and make sure you put the project box on the talk page. jimfbleak (talk) 06:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I've made the change to all capitals as "proper names" in WP:NAME supports the capitalization.--Sting Buzz Me... 00:36, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Talkheader

When you create a talk page of an article, please try to add the talkheader. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 07:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

May be talkheader is not under any policy, but generally usage of talkheader is considered a complete task and it looks good to add the talkheader at the top of an article talk page. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 08:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] References

how many references do I need then to get rid of your banner? Sensationull (talk) 12:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Just moved this comment to bottom of talk page.--Sting Buzz Me... 12:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the constructive information, I have added much more data and extra URLs so hopefully it will be alright now. Sorry about posting at the top before but I am new and did not read the instructions fully, my bad.

What did you mean by "If someone AfD's that page it's cooked! ", this is my first time doing any of this and I did not realize that it would be so difficult to actually get something to stick without people trying to redirect it or delete it within seconds of posting. Thanks for your help anyhow. Sensationull (talk) 13:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


Thanks again for your help, vote of confidence and explanation of AfD. I hope that it stays put this time :) Sensationull (talk) 13:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Daylesford

No, I was just passing through, on a trip along the Midland Highway from Ballarat to Shepparton today. I am not from around Daylesford, although I have had a (very good) meal at the Farmers Arms a few years back. I live in the Riverina, but my family live in Bacchus Marsh. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 12:48, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

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