Talk:Stirling Moss
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I saw Stirling Moss win his class in a Historic race at Donington a few years ago, in a C-Type Jaguar. He was definitely racing it, too, not merely demonstrating! Wonderful to see. Loganberry 14:00, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I met him once in Cannes, he raced the historical Tour de France with a Porsche (I think he teamed with Jurgen Barth - another legend, in another way). Most people didn't even know who he was... A gentleman. Ericd 14:51, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
"kick-starting the British domination of single-seater racing design and engineering that continues to this day." Hmmmm... have you heard of the come-back of Ferrari ? Ericd 19:42, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
- Eh? Have you not heard of any other single-seater racing series' other than F1?! Have you actually seen Ferrari this year, being trounced by Renault (really a British operation with 90% British engineering team in Oxford) and McLaren (British chassis powered by a British Illmor engine badged Mercedes)?!?! 62.252.0.7 22:08, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Obviously you didn't heard of F3, Champcar or Indycar... I'm very bad at English but I think there's some difference between continuing and resuming... And do you remenmber the perfomance of Benetton under British management ? Ericd 22:43, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
- Nothing you are saying here renders the point about British engineering wrong. No-one has claimed that only British engineering has been successful for 50 years. You cannot provide a single example of poor performance over two years to try and prove a more general point over several decades is wrong. And yes I have heard of those single-seater series, it was my point exactly. Not sure what point you were attempting to make though. PS Ferrari have a not-very-publicised engineering and design facility in England, run by British engineers. 62.252.0.6 23:03, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
The Italian term 'Mille Miglia' means a thousand miles in English. I don't understand why the reference to the distance has been changed to the metric system of [1,500] kilometres. Anyway, isn't a thousand miles actually 1,609 km and a thousand 'Roman' miles 1,479? Grateful (and curious) for an explanation. 62.252.0.6 23:03, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
I'made a comment when I made the change because the name refer to the Roman mile not to the US mile the difference. Many languages make the difference languages for instance the French name of the race is "mille milles" and not "mille miles". After some seach on the web I think than the Italian use "miles" for US miles instead of "miglia". Thus I think its correct information to refer to the roman mile. Ericd 20:22, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
BTW most sources give 1500 km for the Mille Miglia, and the race was created in 1927 when Mussolini was ruling Italia if you know something about this era references to the greatness of ancient rome were at that time by far mor popular than refenrences to the Anglo-American culture. Ericd 20:36, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
I added "(1,000 mile)" after the distance but then removed it after reading this discussion. However, I think it would be good to have the following:
...the 1955 Mille Miglia ("Thousand Miles"), the Italian 1597 km open-road endurance race...
It's important to recognize that not everyone reading this article will have the cultural background to recognize the meaning of the name in Italian, and it is a point of interest. Unless someone has a solid objection, I'll make that change. --Tedd 01:52, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I'd add Stirling's mother was a rally driver of some skill, if I could recall her name; the traffic cop story I've heard Moss tell in an interview. Also, can somebody clarify what "deceptively smooth" is? Jackie Stewart always says a driver should be smooth, & the best ones are; so, what's deceptive? How quick he is? Or how damn easy he makes it look? (So did Jackie. So does Michael.) Trekphiler 13:40, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
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can somebody clarify what "deceptively smooth" is?
- Subjectively, a less smooth driver often appears faster to the naked eye than a smooth driver. For example, I watched Jacky Ickx qualify for an endurance race and noticed that, subjectively, he looked slow compared to some of the other drivers. As a racing driver myself I knew, objectively, that he was fast and smooth and, sure enough, he got the pole. But I was impressed by how his smoothness gave the impression of less speed than other drivers. That's what is meant by deceptively smooth. --Tedd 16:56, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Pat Moss was a good rally driver but she was his sister. Ericd 09:04, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- Stirling's mother Aileen was also a successful rally driver. - Ian Dalziel 06:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Moss the Record Breaker
There should be at least a paragraph about Stirling's relationship with MG and the EX181. He did, after all, break five international class F records at Utah in one afternoon. Contact me if you want more details. --Timetrial 00:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Greatest Never to win Championship?
I think that to say he is regarded as the greatest driver never to win the Drivers' Championship is POV. It implies that this is the belief of everyone in the sport. Also, the link provided to back this claim up is out of date and anything but objective.
May I suggest "Regarded by some", as well as replacing the Hall of Fame link previously mentioned?
Paddyman1989 15:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- I wouldn't object to "regarded by some" or even "often called", but this is one (possibly the only?) "greatest" tag which deserves to stay in some form - the expession really is very widely used about Moss. -- Ian Dalziel 15:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I agree that it should stay in some form, however, in its current form it suggests that this is a verifiable fact. I appreciate your input - thanks! -- Paddyman1989 21:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
It's POV and should be gone Ernham 03:56, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
- It's some people's point of view, obviously. However, there is no POV in recording that the comment is often made - that is a verifiable fact. As Paddyman1989 says, what has to be avoided is stating the point of view itself as fact. -- Ian Dalziel 12:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Stirling Moss and Denis Jenkinson photo
I think this is going to have to go, sadly. It's a user-created image, and the Wikipedia:Image use policy#User-created images says quite clearly that such pictures "may not be watermarked [or] have any credits in the image itself". I've left a note on the uploader's Talk page asking if he has a non-credited version we could use, but otherwise... since it's a policy and not merely a guideline, we'll have to abide by it and remove the photo from the article. Loganberry (Talk) 16:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- Regrettably the uploader has not answered my query, and so I've removed the photo. A real shame, but given WP's Image use policy as stated above, there is no alternative. Loganberry (Talk) 01:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] MBE?
Need to check which Order his knighthood is. It is probable that he is a Knight Bachelor of the Order of the British Empire in which case he'll be KBE: you can't be KBE and MBE: the former is a higher award in the same Order, so any original MBE (or OBE, CBE) is 'upgraded', if you like! 195.92.40.49 10:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- stirlingmoss.com[1] describes him as "Sir Stirling Moss OBE". -- Ian Dalziel 12:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
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- I've changed the article to reflect the higher honour (as found at the official website), but we still need to check as per my first post above. 195.92.40.49 11:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Urban Myth???
I heard a story that Stirling Moss has never held a normal road driver's licence. Is this true or is it just an urban myth?
- This page claims that Moss' road driver's licence was suspended for a year in 1960. Which would suggest that he had one. DH85868993 06:16, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
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- Thanks mate. Maybe the fact he was suspended for a time served as the basis for it? Anyway, it is a good story! 210.50.60.85
[edit] Does this make any sense?
"Moss's first Formula One win was in 1955 at his home race, the British Grand Prix at Aintree, driving the superb Mercedes-Benz W196 Monoposto for a convincing German 1-2-3-4 win, with Karl Kling and Piero Taruffi in the international driver line-up. It was the only race where he finished in front of Juan Manuel Fangio, his teammate, friend, mentor and arch rival at Mercedes."
"In 1957 Moss won on the longest circuit to ever hold a Grand Prix, the daunting 25 kilometre Pescara Circuit, again demonstrating his skills at high speed, long distance driving. He beat Fangio, who started on pole, by a little over 3 minutes over the course of a gruelling 3 hour race." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.16.14 (talk) 22:13, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- The English could perhaps do with tidying up a bit, but otherwise it looks okay. Why do you ask? Loganberry (Talk) 23:46, 25 September 2007 (UTC)