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[edit] Caffeine problems

I have removed some unsourced information, reworded much of the article, and broken it into two sections. The unsourced information was both detrimental and does not make logical sense. The claim was made that caffeine can cause hyperactivity even after metabolism. I also reworded the article because of the informal writing style, and repeatition. Lastly I broke it into two sections. One for general information the other for effects of overuse. I chose to break it into two sections because information pertaining to overuse was already present. And I did not wish to remove it. Because overuse/overdose can is important information for any substance ingested it is my opinion that this subsection should be added for every stimulent summery. 68.167.252.68 05:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Good job! You should register an account, your edit was good. Keep in mind there are main articles for each substance (including caffeine) elsewhere, so I wouldn't worry too much about getting this article precisely correct. In the end, it should be a summary of what is presented more comprehensively in the actual caffeine article. Robotsintrouble 20:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ecstacy as a hallucinogen

I've edited the relevant section to clear up the error - MDMA is not a hallucinogenic, however it is often mixed with other drugs (MDA etc.) which are.

[edit] Coca-Cola vs Coffee Caffeine

Removed "One can of Cola = 4 cups of coffee" statement as it is outright wrong.

[edit] Aging

What accounts for the more rapid aging that appears to be experienced by meth users (Newsweek had some before and after pictures awhile back &ndash see image 3 of 12 at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8758891/)? Could that also occur with chronic users of other stimulants, such as methylphenidate and caffeine? 24.54.208.177 23:56, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

It is unknown whether or not the use of stimulant drugs accelerates the effects of aging. I haven't seen a single study on the subject, either, which may be because aging itself is not yet well understood. "Aging" could be considered an abstract concept that is difficult, if not impossible at this stage in research, to quanitify biologically. Also note that methamphetamine addicts are often subject to many other health-compromising activities, agents, and behaviors, such as sleep deprivation, malnourishment, shared infected needles, the impurities found in street drugs, and more, all of which have serious negative consequences on health and perhaps may intrinsically accelerate aging. --Muugokszhiion 04:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
There is a connection between stress, metabolism and aging. Stress can increase metabolism, higher than normal stress levels as well as higher than normal metabolism levels can increase aging. Stimulants increase metabolism and can also increase stress levels, contributing to acceleration of aging. --Thoric 20:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
My two cents; if the use of methamphetamine leads to extensive loss eating and sleeping over several consecutive days, then the lack of these two necessities alone would cause rapid deterioration of the body. Barkleylee (talk) 15:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Other Stimulating Antidepressants

There are other examples of antidepressants that produce stimulation. While this side effect fades with continual use, in the beginning it can so stimulating that it's uncomfortable. (*Caviat: this is partially my own experience, and I'm unusually susceptible to the effects of caffeine.) I suspect that there are others, as well. --67.172.170.146 02:55, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

SSRIs (prozac, etc) can certainly produce stimulation, and are considered to be stimulants in some circles of pharmacology. --Thoric 20:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Glucose?

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Could some clarification be given on the status of glucose? (I assume that it is not a stimulant, but many people believe that it is.) -- Beland 06:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not a stimulant. Glucose spikes the blood sugar and provides energy, which can make someone peppy/hyper and seem like they're on stims, but it really isn't the same thing at all, chemically. --Blacken 05:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Does MDMA belong on this page?

The stimulant effects of MDMA are small for most users, certainly compared to related chemicals such as Ephedrine and the other, non-empathogenic Amphetamines. The desired psychological effect of MDMA use has little in common with classical psychostimulant effects. Should MDMA really have a section here? 24.255.11.232 03:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Possibly, but the line about it "often" containing a whole host of other drugs is wholely wrong, as repeated scientific samples (as opposed to media hysteria) has shown. Nick Cooper 11:42, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
MDMA is a powerful amphetamine-based stimulant that definitely belongs on the simulant page. -Muugokszhiion 23:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cocaine is not more potent than Amphetamine

I strongly disagree os the sentence "This dependence can lead a user to turn to stronger stimulants such as cocaine".

Since it has no citation I suggest the whole sentence is removed! Noten 15:43, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bias for caffiene

I noticed that caffiene is the only item to carry the term "overuse." This suggests that caffine is the only substance that can be taken in moderation without harm. I propose to either include the side-effects in the same manner as the other substances, or to add an "overuse" section to each individual item on the list. OWiseWun 09:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)OWISEWUN

Please see this comment. -Muugokszhiion 23:58, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Natural?

"Caffeine is a drug that is found naturally in tea, chocolate, coffee, many soft drinks particularly energy drinks, and cocoa."

Its found naturally in many soft drinks? Yes, I've noticed that when I go pick the cans at the soft drinks trees I have growing in my backyard.........

Kent —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.141.89.53 (talk) 12:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Reference from Methylphenidate: 'Hyperactivity Paradox Resolved?'

Removed this ref from Methylphenidate, as the drugs tested didn't include that drug:

<ref>{{cite web |url=http://psychiatry.jwatch.org/cgi/content/full/1999/301/1 |title=Hyperactivity Paradox Resolved? |accessdate=2006-11-11 |work=Journal Watch }}</ref>

It doesn't look like it's referenced here, but it might be an interesting thing to add in somewhere.--Eloil 22:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Abuse"

Why did someone go through every stimulant listed and add an "abuse" section? This would seem highly motivated by bias and opinion and it really doesn't belong in this article. I would support removal of every abuse section from the stimulant page. Such a section is much more appropriate in the respective main article, not a stub paragraph listing briefly what the drug is and where it's from. -Muugokszhiion 23:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I've commented all Abuse sections pending their removal and redirection to their main articles. If you are interested, please take the respective sections and move them to the appropriate place outside this article. -Muugokszhiion 17:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stimulant Box

In the box with all the stimulants could we catergorise them, like the antidepressant box so amphetamine type drugs like ritalin and other drugs which inhibit Dopamine and Noradrenaline (norepinephrine) are together

[edit] "popular culture" section

…was just created. Setting aside what seems to be wikipedia's general dislike for these kinds of things, this particular page seems like it would be an unmaintainable and endless list. Stimulant use is widespread, there are many types of stimulants, and there's nothing really notable about someone drinking a cup of tea or smoking a cigarette in a movie. DMacks 21:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Even if it was restricted to films, even the most obvious inclusions would bloat the page to an unmanagable level. Nick Cooper 12:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation needed

"Upper" now hard-wired redirects to stimulants, even though this term is often used in firearms talk (e.g. the Heckler & Koch 416 is a new upper for the standard M-16/M-4 carbine, which replaces the unreliable hot impingment system with a cool-running gas piston assembly.) 82.131.210.162 (talk) 16:58, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Upper is now a disambiguation page. I have no idea what other meanings there might be that should be linked (vs just mentioned)--is this "upper" part of a gun specifically indicated in any of the diagrams on various firearms pages? DMacks (talk) 20:45, 15 April 2008 (UTC)