User talk:Steve Crossin/Mediation/Prem Rawat

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Summary of Issues to be mediated
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Use of sources: Cagan Collier Geaves New York Times Randi Time Watts Wim Haan Who Is Guru Maharaj Ji? (book) What needs to be mediated here? Context- what additional material needs to be added about: Ted Patrick as it relates to criminal activities related to the kidnapping mention van Driel/Richardson, regarding his study of terminology in U.S. print media Context for religious persecution by the totalitarian military regimes in South America Membership numbers. Incomplete presentation of available estimates from a variety of sources Merging/splitting of related articles Use of a souce that is not a reliable source and that it is self-published (Manav Dharam and TPRF) website, to make self-serving claims, and claims about third parties. DLM in India section Exceptional claims Celibacy issue
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Contents 1 Discussion 1.1 Issue/Discussion topic A 1.2 Issue/Discussion topic B 1.3 Issue/Discussion topic C

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OK, leaping in joyfully here...in the article's "Following" section, the sentence "Outside the U.S., Paul Schnabel indicates a decreasing number of 150 DLM adherents, 15 of which living in a community setting, for Netherlands in 1980" is gibberish, but apparently informs us that there are only 150 adherents in the non-US world. If Schnabel is a reputable source (a pretty big "if") we need to know reliably what he wrote so he can be properly quoted. Rumiton (talk) 13:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Schnabel p. 53:

... de voor Nederland relevante cijfers ... begin 1981 ...		... numbers relevant for the Netherlands ... early 1981 ...
1.	Divine Light Mission - naar schatting hoogstens nog 150 aanhangers in Nederland, waarvan in 1980 ongeveer 15 in communaal verband leven. De beweging lijkt op zijn retour.	1.	Divine Light Mission - estimated at most 150 adherents remaining for the Netherlands, of which in 1980 approximately 15 lived in a community setting. The movement appears to be over the hill.

--Francis Schonken (talk) 16:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Francis. This is rather different to what the article currently says. Are we to change the sandbox version here? Steve? It's getting a bit confusing. Rumiton (talk) 15:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Yep, change this sandbox version, as it's not protected. Just look at the banner at the top first. :) Steve Crossin (talk)(email) 15:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

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