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This is my 1st Article about; Wikipedia articles on: The use of the Royal Arms and Royal motto in courts. In all courts throughout England and Wales, all Judges and Magistrates sit beneath the Royal Coat of Arms with the motto; “DIEU ET MON DROIT - GOD AND MY RIGHT” In the Queens Coronation oath, she makes her solemn oath in the sight of all the people by “laying her right hand upon the Bible saying: So help me God.” This oath is in accordance with Magna Carta Statutes: “John, by the grace of God King of England,” “Know that before God.” [61] “We give public and free permission to take the oath …we will compel any of our subjects who are unwilling to take it to swear it at our command.” This oath is compelled to be sworn by jurors, witnesses and the accused, in all law courts. The Court Usher compels the subject to place their left hand upon the Bible [representing God] and to raise their right hand. They then state the oath; “I swear by almighty God.....” Accordingly I/we all swear on oath by “God (h)and my right” - before and using - "God and my right". The Court’s use of DIEU - GOD, is not to British Monarchs, as this originates from the pledge of allegiance to English Kings/Queens; “In the name of God, King and Country.” Pledges of allegiance to all Germanic British Kings/Queens since the 1701 Act of Union, replaced this pledge with; “In the name of the King/Queen, his/her heirs and successors.” Stephen2nd (talk) 14:29, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
[References]: [Coquetdale Magistrates Court]: Road Traffic Act: GH/GH/0033022. 3/01 to 21/09/1995. Chief Constable of Northumbria Police: John Stevens v. Stephen Mowbray McDermott. G Hogg [re Lord Chancellor]: Royal Arms displayed in all courts in England and Wales. [NB: not in all courts throughout the country]Stephen2nd (talk) 14:29, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
[Wikepedia]: Royal Coat of Arms: Motto: Magna Carta: Coronation and Judicial Oaths.
Reference: Rrius (talk) 21:35, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
As indicated in reference to my 1st article, this is a substantial ongoing work in progress. Although I accept your right to edit Wikepedia articles, please allow me my right to cite my full research evidence into the public domain, on the Royal Arms, Motto and Garter. This link between the Motto “Dieu et mon droit” and its meaning as “God and my right” has been only been established in terms of its French, to its English language translation, which can equally be said of the Magna Carta, in its translations from Latin to English. People consult encyclopedias in their research for and hopeful discoveries of knowledge. In terms of academic research, as in judicial procedings, it is up to the jury to determine what is the truth, or the facts of the case, based on their hearing all of the case evidence. I’ve only began submitting evidences, including; defending the monarchs rights to rule.
The basic proposition that Dieu et mon droit derived from oath taking is a matter of law. According to the law, it is a legal requirement that you must use both hands as part of the ritual of taking the Oath. One hand on the Bible [God] and you must raise the other hand. It is also factual that all courts in England and Wales display the Royal Arms, containing the motto’s hidden and un-translated meaning of the specific phrase; “God and my right.” It is a verifiable fact that Magna Carta is Kings Statute law, and courts are courts of law. The Magna Carta, which many believe is the foundation of both the law, and of rights, is the earliest known legal document to actually state the relevant phrases; to take the oath; swear it at our command; sworn; without deceit; Witness, and also; Given by our hand.
Modern religious and political usage and meaning of “God” are as infinitesimal as the meanings of “my right,” which can equally be said of Magna Carta and rights and laws. The meanings of the motto and Magna Carta in their original forms were concealed in a secret and disguised way of writing, ie French and Latin, until transformed into English. The historical meanings of Magna Carta text in 1215ad, were only known to the people actually involved in its creation, had access to the document and or could interpret Latin. In its original Latin form, the Magna Carta was incomprehensible to the majority of the 1215; people of this land, which could neither speak Latin, or even read or write English. [Magna Carta BL]: “The translation sets out to convey the sense rather than the precise wording of the original Latin.” Further evolutions may also seem relevant in this context: Freedom of the Churches elections - a right reckoned to be of the greatest necessity and importance to it; in elections today, we still put a C13th “X” rather than write our name? That the ‘English Church’ be free and have its rights undiminished – Church of England?
The term given by our hand, has many historical, royal, political and modern meanings, laterally thinking; [phonetic] Write is right. [Logic] Most hands are extensions of Arms. [C11th MS] Edgar; King of the English 959-975: depicted holding a palm in his hands, which is the earliest known reference to the term; Palm of the hand. [Longcroft’s C14th: Chronicle of England]: Henry II debating with Becket emphasizing on fingers and hands. [Brockhaus]: C19th Nazi salute: Installation and coronation of German kings with "Heil". Hitler and Himmler regarded Nazi salute as identical with the rendering of a judicial oath. Since 1945, this salute and the judicial oath are now forbidden by law in Germany. Thus witnesses and accused, cannot commit perjury, regardless of what they say during a trial.
NB: Sensus verborum est anima legis: Dieu et mon Droit: Scire debes cum quo contrahis. Stephen2nd (talk) 23:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
This is my 2nd Article about; Wikipedia articles on: The use of the Royal Arms and Royal motto.
Dieu et mon droit: Is the Royal Arms motto of the United Kingdom as used in England. Its letters form four French words with the English translation of: God and my Right. This motto appears beneath the Royal Arms achievement contained in a compartment called the the scroll. First used with the Red Dragon supporter by the Plantagenet King Richard I, it was in constant use by the House of Lancaster under King Henry VI, until the Tudors; Queen Mary who used the motto Veritas temporis filia and Queen Elizabeth I who used Semper eadem. The Stuart King James VI of Scotland as James I of England, sometimes used Beati pacifici at which time the Dragon supporter was permanently replaced by a Unicorn, and King William III also used the motto Je main tiendrai le droit. The Royal Arms of King Charles I can be seen above the entrance of the Kings Manor, St. Leonards Place, York near the entrance of York Minster. Kings Henry VIII and Charles II are recorded to have stayed at the Kings Manor, as did King Charles I in 1633 and 1639. Depicting a first use of his fathers Unicorn supporter, it is noteworthy that this Royal motto; Dieu et mon droit, has the {N} of the MON curiously carved in reverse. This may relate to the unexplained upside-down Dragon head [Pendragon] in the Minster.
God and my right: The term may have originated from procedure for swearing oaths in courts. The Royal Arms and Dieu et mon droit motto, are displayed above the judiciary in all Magistrates, Crown and County Courts throughout England and Wales. I/we must swear the Oath verbally with; I swear by almighty God... and at the same time phisically given by our hands, using the left hand on the Bible - [God] and my right - hand raised. This motto used as an oath, may be traced back to Magna Carta, the translations of which set out to convey the sense rather than the precise wording of the original Latin. Ie permission to take the oath; to swear it; without deceit; Witness, also; Given by our hand. The unexplained use of the hands by English Monarchs, can be traced back to C10th in the C11th MS of Edgar King of the English 959-975; who is depicted holding in his hands, what looks like a compartment scroll of the Royal Arms motto Dieu et mon droit, albeit it is stated? he is holding a palm, this is a reference to the term; Palm of the hand. The C15th portrait of King Richard III defining his little finger on his right hand and King Henry II debating with Thomas a Becket also emphasizing on his fingers and hands. In conveying a sense rather than precise wording; Hands are extensions of Arms. Pen se? Stephen2nd (talk) 23:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
