User talk:Steamtostay

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[edit] Cleanup

'Helpme' pages removed - see 'history'

[edit] External links

For pages like this you can make the links nicer and easier to understand by doing this:

* [http://www.pjv101.net/cd/pages/c062m.htm nice name]

* [http://www.pjv101.net/cd/pages/c328m.htm another nice name]

* [http://www.steamrail.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=114 Steamrail Victoria Forums - thread title]

gives:

Wongm (talk) 13:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

How's this?

The W article

I'll start on the MT and E articles.
If you tack ~~~~ onto the end of your posts it adds your name, time, and date.
An example link would be Peter J Vincent: AW - First Class Sitting Car Wongm (talk) 13:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New pages

My next pages that I want to do, include a page on the BCPL cars (linked to the MT car page), an APL/BPL page, and something on guard's vans. Any preference?

Steamtostay (talk) 14:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Starting on the Guard's van page, I have a few questions. This is my main source. So, which should I include in the article? I was going to start with the plan 6-wheel Z-van and it's variations (D, ZL, ZP, etc.). Should we have separate pages for these, and, say, the 'power vans' (PCJ, etc.,) or the purely passenger vans (C, etc.)?
finished, Linky. It only covers the Z vans and their alternatives, such as DH, H, ZZ, ZL, D, etc. Opinions?
I've never been much of a fan myself in creating articles on subjects where there is a heap of info up on the net already. It is one thing to say that, when not everyone can get their hands on books covering other less covered subjects. However, everyone else is free to do what they want to do, as long as you aren't doing a copy and paste of stuff from elsewhere.
The pages you have done are a bit 'gunzel heavy' as well - more of the numbers and dates than descriptions of the interior and what they look like and stuff like that. I did a bit of work on the N / Z / S set pages a while back - you might get some ideas there.
Finally - some photos would be nice. Most of the older stuff I don't have photos of myself, and you can't just upload any old photos you find on the net - you need to get permission. Wongm (talk) 06:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I understand where you are coming from, about the info being available elsewhere. However, Wikipedia is more likely to show up on a Google than PJV's site, and in some cases I've merged info from there, and other sites, into one page. This makes it easier for the junior researcher, like myself, and it was one of the main problems I faced about five years ago when I started my 'HO scale Rollingstock Shopping List". Also, a lot of the other sites are out-of-date; for example, V/LineCars reports September 2007 as the most recent update.
The Gunzel Heavy thing, well, there's not much I can do about that. I don't have ANY of my own photos (because my father doesn't like me going out Gunzelling alone!), and like you said, I can't copy from elsewhere. Plus, believe it or not, I've only once been on a v/line train - and that was a sprinter from Geelong to Melb in July, 2001
BTW, I've finished the fifth page: Power Vans
Steamtostay (talk) 06:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I will be doing more about the vans, so should the CS or DS vans from the Spirit of Progress, be on the existing 'S' page, or a new page? What about Murray or Norman?
Steamtostay (talk) 08:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I know what you mean about PVJ's site - even Googleing obscure things and it doesn't pop up. The CS and other non sitting cars were part of the original Spirit consist - might as well cover it there, as with the DS. A page like Victorian Railways dining cars might be an idea for a 'top down' view of all the different types of cars, and on to the 1980s snack bars that came later. The 'New Deal' is a topic that isn't really covered online - a Newsrail mag a while back covered it. One of the Newsrail mags I have laying about has a history of railway catering for the other suggestion I just made. Added photos and links to the power van page too. Wongm (talk) 10:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I might try to do the dining cars thing, but it'll take a while, because I'm at school tomorrow and thursday (I've had the last four days off). I'd have only small blurbs about Murray, the BRS's, the BG's and so on, with 'main article' links going to their respective parts of other pages.
I think we need, now, to define the difference between the S cars and the SoP articles, as well as defining the difference between the N sets article and the Victorian Railways New Deal article when we make that. I'd also ask someone else to do the article on the 'New Deal', because I don't know enough about it.
Finally, I noticed, your editing of the PCO, PCJ part of the power van article has a few errors. Remember that PCO 1 and 3 were turned into PCJ's, so only PCO 2 and PCO 4 are left. As the article reads now, PCO 4 disappears altogether, while PCJ491 (PCO 1) splits it's identity between VLP and GSR. Could you clarify this?

...PCO 1 was refurbished and re-entered service with Great Southern Railway in 2007.
PCO 1 is in plain grey...

Should these read PCO 4? Steamtostay (talk) 11:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Correct about PCO 4 [smacks head]. I though I had already started scattering red New Deal (Victoria) about, but I guess I haven't. The xxx type carriage pages are about the train, SoP is about the train that used the S cars (and the Z stock as well later on), New Deal mentions the N cars were part of it. The non sitting SOP cars did get the S classification in the 1980s, so are S type carriage. Wongm (talk) 12:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

So we need to add Murray, CS, DS, and Norman to the S type carriage article. Could I get you to do the 'New Deal' article? Do you need any new rollingstock pages in order to create it? As for the Dining car article, I just spent about an hour on PJV's site, and there is no class, no individual page, nothing! They are spread around into all the other pages. How about, I start the article with info on dining cars in general, and then we can allocate research between us to add.
BTW, I've changed the Trailer page again, check the MTH and 1300 headings. Also, take a look at the A Class in this photo!
Steamtostay (talk) 13:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)