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Steve Waugh is the second highest run-getter in Test cricket history.

The opening blurb is incorrect. Waugh was Australia's ODI captain from 1997 until 2002, and its test captain from 1999 until 2004.

Well spotted. The cool thing about wiki's is that when you see something is wrong you can go ahead and fix it yourself, and it's no harder than writing this comment on the talk page. So go ahead and be bold. I will check back in a few days and change it if you haven't already. Steven jones 09:57, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I wasn't sure about the exact dates, just the years. I'll look them up and make the change.

Contents 1 Most books 2 Gay rights 3 Can't we get an actual picture of Waugh? 4 Sources 5 POV 6 Steve Waugh's famous old baggy green hat

[edit] Most books

The latest edit reads

Steve Waugh also has the record for the most books published by a cricketer with his ever expanding series of tour diaries and thoughts providing an insight into the mind of Steve Waugh.

Is there any data to back it up that Waugh is the most prolific cricketer-writer or is it just an opinion ? Tintin 06:14, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I am going for a politcally correct version. If the author or anyone else is certain about it, feel free to revert.

It is possible that SRW has written most books for an active cricketer, but IMHO when there are people like Jack Fingleton, it would be difficult to claim the record for a cricketer. Tintin 08:09, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

As far as I am aware Stephen Waugh only has three children.

[edit] Gay rights

I removed a sentence which was just added:

Steve is also an activist for gay rights

I was unable to verify this information, and it seemed a bit out of place. Does anyone know of a citation or source for this? --Hansnesse 06:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

• Judging by his other edit [1] it's vandalism and should be dealt with accordingly. -- —Moondyne 07:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can't we get an actual picture of Waugh?

Is there any reason this article has a crude animated picture of Steve Waugh and not an actual picture of him? This seems to be a trend in many cricket player articles. Are cricket players simply more protective of their image than players in other sports? Rdysn5 01:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

No, it's that editors in most sports claim "fair use" on photo agency pictures that almost certainly don't qualify as fair use. Stephen Turner (Talk) 08:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. Uploaded my own picture. Darcyj 00:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

I find a surprisingly lack of sources (only one) for a large-sized biography like this, which included such comments as "Like most Australian players, he has an array of strong off-side shots." Can anyone find some sources for the article? Aran|heru|nar 13:18, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I was kinda thinking about sources, how there are those little {{Fact}} tags pointing at things like "he had an array of off side shots" and "his trademark shot was the slog-sweep". On Cricinfo, there are hundreds of images and probably most of them show him playing shots. There are many images of him playing the cut, square drive and slog-sweep, all which quite literally illustrate such statements (though maybe it would be better not to say one was a trademark). The query that leaves me with, is how can you tie that in? The paradox for me is that if someone wrote an article saying the cut was one of his favourite shots, it appears a lot more contentious and harder to prove than actually seeing dozens of photos. Is it possible to cite an image as a source of information? MrAngy 07:13, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Even if you were to reference to a picture all you would be able to say is he once played a cut shot or he once played a square drive. The pictures would not show that he was noted for these shots. 212.140.167.99 19:42, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Although even that would probably be classed as OR. 212.140.167.99 19:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV

Aside from shortness, this article is a Steve Waugh fan-shrine hagiography. I'll put in the other stuff sometime hopefully - he was involved in many run-outs - using his newspaper column to market himself - failure to conquer India - bad average in 4th innings - taking single off the first ball of the over - perceptions of playing for red ink....Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 03:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, every long standing cricketer has similar characteristics. Take Inzamam for eg., And quite naturally an experienced cricketer is able to rotate strikes easily.

Obviously some of these criticisms apply to many, but we should report criticism whether we agree or not. It is interesting that early in his career, I remember Waugh being praised for his policy of displaying trust in tail-enders, but later after it backfired he was criticised. That's cricket. Blnguyen has done a great job in expanding the captaincy section. I thought it would be best to integrate the mention of the handled the ball dismissal with the paragraph discussing that series, especially since it appeared to be a significant turning point in the innings - change it back if you don't agree. I also think that enforcing the follow-on being rare is a more recent phenomenon, in part caused by that match. JPD (talk) 12:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

It's a fairly rambling sort of article, with a lot of match commentary masquerading as biographical comment. In an article on a sportsman, it is not always necessary to report every detail of a memorable innings or tour. The liberal sprinkling of {{fact}} especially in the opening paragraphs is not very helpful - would have been better to place a single template at the top of the article and then nominate specific instances on this discussion page. Certainly, some of the descriptions ("iceman" for example) have been heard before but finding a citation is not always easy. Darcyj 23:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

This is not a great biographical article, to be sure. However, I think it falls short of being a hagiography. Waugh was a unique cricketer, with an outstanding record. The article should rightly reflect this. Fair enough to say perhaps his (unintentional) skill for running out others could be mentioned - but then again, barely anything is made of his bowling, which really was at a high level until his injuries took hold. Furthermore, while you could criticise his taking singles with tail order batsman, where is the balance to this comment - that being that Waugh revolutionised batting with lower order batsman PRECISELY BY putting his faith in them. His numerous innings with Merv Hughes, Jason Gillespie, Shan Warne and Ian Healy all spring to mind. On the whole, while the article could be more tightly edited, this is not an unnecessarily hagiographic piece. jamesmassola

Opening blurb was shockingly wrong. Steve Waugh's nickname for years was Iceman - have adjusted the article accordingly. ~J

Article is now better balanced, so I have removed the neutrality tag. Phanto282 15:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Steve Waugh's famous old baggy green hat

Is this mentioned in the article? If so I missed it. Thought it would be worth adding. Apparently he caused a bit controversy by wearing the original one he was given throughout his entire career. Some thought it looked too haggard and disgraced the baggy green.--Jeff79 05:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I thought all aussie players are only ever given one baggy green. If his looked too haggard it was probably because he played so many games. 212.140.167.99 10:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I think Steve was given his baggy green at a junior level, (u/18's?) (not even he knows why) and wore it throughout his career until its close.