Talk:Steve Poizner

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Contents 1 Is this an article, or a power point slide 2 WikiProject class rating 3 Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard 4 Stop making incorrect edits 5 Recent editing of the article

[edit] Is this an article, or a power point slide

There are WAY too many bullet points. An article is made of sentences and paragraphs, not bullet points. Additionally, an article this short should not have 9 top level section headers. Gentgeen 07:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Gentgeen,

Say if you can help, it would be appriciated. PEACE TalkAbout 18:23, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

There are various reasons I can't. I might be too close to the subject, and therefor unable to present a Neutral Point of View. Gentgeen 17:48, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Done. The bullet points have been replaced with sentences and paragraphs, and the section headers are gone. OCNative 04:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I have been waiting for someone that knew a little more about Mr. Poizner to help out. Any photos?PEACETalkAbout 04:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I have put in some new section headers to maintain article clairty, without the excess number from before. OCNative 05:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 04:39, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard

This article has been reported at WP:COIN#Steve Poizner as a possible case of conflict of interest editing. I trimmed out some of the more promotional language, and removed a few statements for which no source was provided. Further improvement may be possible. EdJohnston (talk) 03:43, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stop making incorrect edits

Perhaps you folks need to actually READ the articles, or do more research on to Steve Poizner before editing or cutting material from this page. Your removal of what you call "promotional" material is content and language pulled directly from the variety of news articles that are available on Steve Poizner. Your most recent edit/cut, now includes a statement "The outcome of this campaign caused some newspapers to predict that Poizner would run for governor in 2010." This statement is totally incorrect. Poizner has been discussed as a Gubernatorial candidate since his election in Nov 2006, with plenty of news articles since then that mention this fact. Furthermore, if you READ the articles, Poizner received across the board praise for his work on Prop 93, so including language that tells of the newspapers praising Poizner is by no means PROMOTIONAL, it is fact. The point here is that the previous version of the page is perfectly suitable, and YOUR version actually turns the page into a listing of bullet points with no editorial content, which is absolutely necessary and part of a politicians profile, whether good or bad. If a news article reports on a scandal, that is fair game for wikipedia entry to note, therefore if a news article praises, than it is also fair game for inclusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.188.102 (talk) 19:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

The article now says, after my revision: The outcome of this campaign caused some newspapers to predict that Poizner would run for governor in 2010. I chose this vague wording because no actual newspapers were cited as a source. If you believe this sentence is not favorable enough to Poizner, can you get us some actual quotes from newspapers? The article had previously stated, but without giving any evidence, that Poizner is widely regarded as the de facto Republican nominee for California Governor in 2010.

If you need any assistance in creating inline citations, you can provide newspaper citations here on Talk and I'll take care of adding them to the article in the proper Wikipedia style. In case of doubt, give the actual sentences the newspaper used about Poizner, here on the Talk page, and we'll take that as proving the point. EdJohnston (talk) 20:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

And now the picture was taken down. Why? I personally took that picture. I own that picture.:: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.188.102 (talk) 16:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Recent editing of the article

Being selected by a US President to be a part of a US Honorary Delegation that attended the historic 60th anniversary of Israel, along with numerous other leaders from around the world, is hardly "fluff". It is a fact, and it is newsworthy as evidenced by the press release and brief article used to source the information. Furthermore, it is a profile item that illustrates another piece of Steve Poizner's profile. That is to say, he is an important person. This is your last warning to stop vandalizing this article. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.188.102 (talk • contribs)

If you are a newcomer to Wikipedia, giving lectures about policy to our administrators isn't smart. Is visiting Israel a more important detail than (apparently) being a serious future candidate for governor of California? Please use some perspective. We perform a service by leaving out the less important details. Promotional editing risks getting you in trouble with the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest guideline, so please follow our policies.

I replaced the section heading that you used, since headings must be neutral per WP:TALK. And please sign your comments using four tildes ('~~~~') before hitting Save Page. EdJohnston (talk) 17:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Stating the obvious, but EdJohnston wasn't vandalizing - he was making an editorial decision regarding content. The flow chart to the right is taken from WP:CONSENSUS, and indicates that you should be attempting to find a compromise, instead of just reverting to your preferred version. PhilKnight (talk) 17:41, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Very good. I appreciate all of your help. Wikipedia would not be what it is today without the efforts of folks like you. With that said, I look forward to you editing the wiki's of the following California politicians, using the exact same guidelines that you are utilizing with Steve Poizner's wiki. Jerry Brown, Steve Westley, Fabian Nunez, Don Perata, Antonio Villaraigosa, Gavin Newsom, John Garamendi, Meg Whitman. Having viewed each and every one of these wiki's, im aghast at the flagrant abuse, promotional editing, and unsourced editorial therein. It will take a truly noble effort to make sure those sites are exactly in line with the noted trangressions on Steve Poizner's wiki. Good luck and I look forward to the results. :::76.126.188.102 (talk) 22:24, 15 May 2008 (UTC)