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Transfer from German Wikipedia.

Hello from Austria/Europe

Manfred —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.124.20.11 (talk • contribs) 07:07, April 10, 2005 (UTC)

There's an extensive article about Coleman (who is more popular in Europe than in the US) on German wikipedia, de: Steve Coleman. Anyone who speaks German and wants to expand the English version may find this a valuable resource. However, I've reverted Manfred's overwrite of the English stub with the German article. --Ferdinand Pienaar 07:24, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi Ferdinand!

Also in Europe Steve Coleman is absolutely not popular. Charlie Parker, John Coltrane and so on ….. they all never were popular in their time. But maybe there are more people in Europe who are interested in cultural things. Musicians and critics in Europe tell that the circumstances for creative Jazz are now growing from bad to worse in the USA. - The idea of an encyclopedia has come from the European Age of Enlightenment and should be a counterpoise to the primitivism of commerce. So I think it is a shame that even such a panel like wikipedia doesn’t realize a present musician who is called as one of the outstanding characters of American music history by another well known Jazz musician: Don Byron. – I thought I can do something that is more than to codify platitudes.

The article about “M-Base” is only one big lack of understanding, sorry for my hard word! It is highly recommended to read Steve Coleman’s explanation on www.M-Base.com.

I hope I have not antagonized you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.124.20.11 (talk • contribs) 09:00, April 10, 2005 (UTC)

Since I'm neither European nor American, I can observe that, while it's sad that many American musicians have to go to Europe to find appreciative audiences, innovators of the first rank are still almost exclusively Americans. So, however bad the "circumstances for creative jazz" are in America, that's still the source, notwithstanding certain talented European musicians. As for Steve Coleman's theories about his music, I don't find them particularly enlightening, just as I don't find that reading about Ornette Coleman's "harmolodic" theories adds to my enjoyment of his music. I'll leave updates to the M-Base article to someone who feels qualified. --Ferdinand Pienaar 22:17, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi, Here is a link that may be interesting for understanding Coleman's rythmic construction (sorry for my english...). It concerns Willie Anku theory that learn how to write african rythms that cannot be expressed by our notation of music. http://mto.societymusictheory.org/issues/mto.00.6.1/mto.00.6.1.anku.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.128.152.118 (talk • contribs) 12:20, August 3, 2006 (UTC)

Actually I know Anku and I've talked to him extensively about his notation ideas. Its more than notation though. What Willie is trying to figure out is a form through which the rhythmic concepts can be understood. I could update this page a lot but I seem not to have the Wiki skills together in order to make a proper edit. However I could do it in collaboration with someone else who is more familiar with the Wikipedia format. I don't have this problems on my own web site - hahaha. Aside from any kind of ego massaging the most accurate information could probably be provided by the artist themselves, but again It would be helpful to work with someone else. By the way, for many years now, if you are not doing mainstream music Europe has been the place that has supported almost all of the artists I know (at least in my circle). The comparison of the support we recive in Europe vesus the USA is not even close. This is not so much due to the people but the exposure of the music, the US is mainly concerned with commercialism and what we do here is basically underground. But I for one do not want to move to Europe as many have done because as Ferdinand has said, because of the sheer size of the country there are still many creative and excellent musicians in the US, especially around NY, and that is the main reason for staying. Steve Coleman —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mbase1235 (talk • contribs) 23:38, August 18, 2006 (UTC)

If help is still requested please look at Dim’s forum (General Discussion). There is a post entitled “WIKIPEDIA”.

Manfred 3. October 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.48.239.254 (talk • contribs) 14:36, October 3, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] M-BASE?

I'm no expert, but a description of this concept seems important when discussing Coleman. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.225.143.253 (talk • contribs) 17:08, October 5, 2006 (UTC)