Talk:Steam (content delivery)
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[edit] New version
First off, thanks to EagleOne for copying the page over. I'm going to go through and remove all the unsourced claims, since they should not be in there. — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 20:05, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Criticism of Steam
Just make a seperate article called Criticism of Steam, it is taking up half the article right now.--Zorgness (talk) 14:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC) no way, if the Criticism of Steam takes up more space than steam it tells a honest story24.76.40.15 (talk) 15:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
- Also here are some articles that are not used but criticise Steam;
- All good sources.--Zorgness (talk) 15:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Most of those are specifically regarding HL2's launch. There's already an article on that which should be linked to if we want to add that kind of thing. The Indiecare page does have some new stuff, but how uncommon are those kinds of clauses relating to service availability and so forth? It isn't NPOV to talk about them of themselves if every other service like Steam takes a similar stance. --Tom Edwards (talk) 16:03, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- I'd also remind everyone of WP:UNDUE with regards to criticism. Wikipedia is not a forum to list all the shortcomings of Steam. — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 16:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Turns out that the HL2 controversy article has been merged back into the HL2 article itself, and there's no mention of the release day network problems. Before this article was re-written it had a small section on the problems, but that has been removed too...--Tom Edwards (talk) 16:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Most of those are specifically regarding HL2's launch. There's already an article on that which should be linked to if we want to add that kind of thing. The Indiecare page does have some new stuff, but how uncommon are those kinds of clauses relating to service availability and so forth? It isn't NPOV to talk about them of themselves if every other service like Steam takes a similar stance. --Tom Edwards (talk) 16:03, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Some of those sources can be used in the history section, similar to Half_life_2#Steam_content_delivery_system.--Zorgness (talk) 16:16, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- That's certainly how the article was before. --Tom Edwards (talk) 16:18, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Please don't just copy text over from the Half-Life 2 page. We worked too long and too hard on this page for its integrity to bec compromised now. — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 20:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- That's certainly how the article was before. --Tom Edwards (talk) 16:18, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Extra addition to HL2 section?
Can someone else please chime in on this? Zorgness and I have been going back and forth about adding another paragraph to the HL2 release section. I removed it because it's directly copied from here], and because it's adding undue weight to criticisms. Eagle, Tom - do you guys have any opinion on this? — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 16:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
The following is on the page: "In some cases, the review score was lowered due to these issues." The link is to this review of HL2. First off, the page is non-notable, and there's nothing on the page to suggest otherwise. The review also says nothing explicit about the score of the game being lowered; in fact, the review doesn't even give the game a score. All it says is that "Steam was effectively broken at release and for all I know remains broken to this day." Based on that, I'm removing the review. — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 18:35, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- I took that statement from the featured article Half_life_2#Steam_content_delivery_system, so feel free to fix that. Also the review is sourcable and the score is at the top right. It may been referring to this review.--Zorgness (talk) 18:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
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- I'm going to have to go with Annyong on this one. Yes, there were problems with Steam during HL2's launch, but I think the current revision adequately covers the issues. There's no need to duplicate that paragraph here.
- The undue weight policy says that coverage of this topic should be proportional to it's importance to the article's subject as a whole. And this section cover's one incident in the history of Steam, the launch of HL2. Granted, the game is an AAA list title, and it's launch really put Steam on the map, so this event deserves it's own subsection. But all this happened 3 years ago, Zorgness. A lot has happened since 2004, and many of the issues have been ironed out. This is relatively unimportant compared to the rest of the article. So please, do not add the content from the HL2 article. — EagleOne\Talk 02:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed deletion of Gabe email
I think that the following should be deleted:
- On the issue of system failure, Gabe Newell, the head of Valve, has said:[1]
| “ | If you right click on a game in Steam, you'll see that you can back up the files yourself. Unless there was some situation I don't understand, we would presumably disable authentication before any event that would preclude the authentication servers from being available. | ” |
A forum post by a standard user is not a reliable source, there is nothing stopping me from making up an email and claiming Gabe Newell sent me it. Also forum threads eventually get deleted. link to thread.--Zorgness (talk) 17:11, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- I suppose that's true enough. In lieu of the forum post, can we find a more reliable source on this subject? — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 17:15, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- Now deleted from section Steam_(content_delivery)#System_failure. There may be an interview with Gabe which answers a similar question, but that quote isn't ever going to be reliable.--Zorgness (talk) 17:45, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Portal: The first slice
I just added a mention to Portal: The First Slice under Hardware promotions, since no one had added it yet. It's still not encyclopedic enough so if anyone could please correct it a bit and make it more encyclopedic it would be appreciated. Garci (talk) 12:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] svg-Logo
There is a .svg-version of the steam-logo availabel in the german wikipedia: de:Bild:Steam Logo.svg made by de:Benutzer:Norro. --84.141.172.80 (talk) 21:18, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
- The proportions aren't quite right. I don't know if it's sensible to use it as it is... --Tom Edwards (talk) 10:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
- Besides, the article already has an image with the Steam logo. We don't need another one. I understand that the pic is in the SVG format, and can smoothly scale up or down, but I just don't think scalability is a big concern here. The current pic is just the right size, and it's properly tagged and sourced. — EagleOne\Talk 14:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Steam logo.png
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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] So...
So is this basically like a game distribution version of iTunes, except not by Apple? 65.40.21.13 (talk) 17:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
- Except that valve doesn't distribute their games with drm, or have ridiculous advertising, or cut themselves off from the operational world, or use a nonstandard form of distribution.....then sure, they're alot like apple. Joe3472 (talk) 20:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] The 26% Problem
I'm quite surprised to spot that there has been no mention of the problem with steam where steam would update to 26% completion then crash. The problem is quite common in the steam forums. It would also be worthwhile to note that steam have been relatively tightlipped about this; with the only official fix relatively outdated and the resource files offered removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.8.12 (talk) 04:11, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Overcharging
Though Steam is the distribution platform, it is the developers that determine the price of games to be sold in various regions of the world, not Valve. Since outcries on the forums began regarding the price differences throughout the world Valve has replied several times to these threads explaining that they do not have any say in the price of games being sold. As such it would be unfair to criticize Steam for it. Zeraliten (talk) 13:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
