Talk:Stealth disco
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Since the original instigators disappeared, Stealth Disco has lost a bit of steam, but I think that the emergence of video blogging should increase the number of people who do this. I can see the argument to delete this, but I would suggest leaving it as a stub for a while longer until video blogging takes off a bit more.
Would it be helpful to provide links to actual videos of stealth disco? --Joi 02:15, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
- Perhaps. Since I'm the one who asked for an explanation (and thank you for opening this discussion rather than just deleting the explain tag like some people do), I should let you know that I'm simply concerned about the article's topic not being particularly encyclopedic. I'm hesitant to say that something that simply appears to be a method of goofing off at work to need this sort of coverage. At the same time, genres of comedy get their own articles. I'm usually pretty quick to pull the VfD trigger, but I want to give this one a chance. =) --Jemiller226 05:14, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
- I agree with Jemill226 about this not quite being an encyclopedia article. But wouldn't it be a good dictionary entry over in Wiktionary? --AlvinMGO 14:00, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
- Someone on my blog found the a link for the original video so I've added it here. I've also asked others to try to contribute more to the article. Can you give it a few more days. ;-) --Joi 19:53, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
- *shrugs*...sure, why not. =) Of course, I doubt I'm the only one who's watching this article. --Jemiller226 06:12, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
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- Did you watch the video? Did you think it was funny? ;-) --Joi 23:55, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Is Stealth Disco similar to All Your Base?
I just found out about Stealth Disco, and it would be a shame for the entry to be deleted. Wikipedia covers a LOT, and I think Internet phenomenons such as All Your Base and the like should be documented. Wouldn't Stealth Disco be just such a thing? Even if it isn't around a few years later, I find it weird that it doesn't count as encyclopedic whereas AYB is fine. - GBGames
All Your Base was a widespread phenomenon that spread across many different online communities and, perhaps most importantly, is not associated with a single representative person or small group of people. Stealth Disco, on the other hand, is Halley Suitt, Joi Ito and their friends perpetrating practical jokes on one another. I hope this helps to clear up the difference.
- Actually, a Google search for "Stealth Disco" provides 27,200 results. We didn't start it. Check out the original video. Also, I just talked to a TV producer today who is thinking of trying to seriously make this into a TV format... It isn't an ego thing for me. I seriously think it's very funny and a possibly new format. I don't take credit for it and would be happy to remove my not so successful versions from the article. --Joi 09:30, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
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- Over 2,800 (more than 10%) of those hits are associated with your name, Joi, and you're using your blog to drum up support for this entry in the Wikipedia. But since you refer to Google hits, do check out "All Your Base", which returns 341,000 hits on Google.
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- I guess it depends on whether you think 10% is a lot or a little. But it is more than "Stealth Disco, on the other hand, is Halley Suitt, Joi Ito and their friends perpetrating practical jokes on one another." I would not dispute that AYB is much bigger than Stealth Disco. But it is sort of a similar genre. At a meta level, do you think it's bad practice to use my blog to drum up interest? (Sincerely interested, not trying to be defensive or anything here.) Anyway, I don't feel super strongly about keeping this article here. I'd vote to keep it because I like it, but if other people feel strongly against keeping this article here, I won't complain. --Joi 05:52, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
- "But it is sort of a similar genre." If you believe that this just another example within a larger genre, then perhaps you can identify what additional benefit exists in recording Stealth Disco, specifically, in an encyclopedia? If not, what is it that makes Stealth Disco noteworthy?
- Maybe similar genre was not the right phrase... but each Pikachu character has it's own entry. Are they not similar in genre? I'm beginning to repeat myself, but I believe it could be the beginning of a new form. The kid who was falling asleep during the Bush speech that was made famous on David Letterman was also probably similar in sense to stealth disco. It's possible that stealth disco will alleviate tensions during important political summits and pave the way to new understanding between heads of state. Quite a few people search for stealth disco on search engines and this article currently has more information than any other site. Isn't it worthy that this information continue to be available for future generations to build upon? --Joi 09:10, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
- This is still a list of assertions, not a reasoned argument, but if you do think it is the beginning of a new form, perhaps the entry should detail the relationships to other forms and identify what makes Stealth Disco interesting and new. If it's just a placeholder definition, then perhaps it is more appropriate for Wiktionary, as AlvinMGO suggested above. And to your last question, adding provocative comments is part of discussion and debate, unless you are accustomed only to people agreeing with you. The fact that it comes from an IP address (hardly random) means that you are on the Internet.
- Well, I was just wondering why the comments that seemed to be alleging that I was just doing this as a practical joke and that it was just me talking about it were coming from an IP address without a username or talk page. I will remove the offending comment so it doesn't appear as though I am whining about criticism. --Joi 18:32, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
- The short answer is that anyone can contribute to Wikipedia, even to discussions. No one alleged that you are supporting this entry as a practical joke. If someone did, however, a good response might be to put together an encyclopedia entry that situates Stealth Disco in a larger context and explains why it is interesting and different from other examples that are similar, more widespread, and less associated with a particular group of people.
- Well, I was just wondering why the comments that seemed to be alleging that I was just doing this as a practical joke and that it was just me talking about it were coming from an IP address without a username or talk page. I will remove the offending comment so it doesn't appear as though I am whining about criticism. --Joi 18:32, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
- This is still a list of assertions, not a reasoned argument, but if you do think it is the beginning of a new form, perhaps the entry should detail the relationships to other forms and identify what makes Stealth Disco interesting and new. If it's just a placeholder definition, then perhaps it is more appropriate for Wiktionary, as AlvinMGO suggested above. And to your last question, adding provocative comments is part of discussion and debate, unless you are accustomed only to people agreeing with you. The fact that it comes from an IP address (hardly random) means that you are on the Internet.
- Maybe similar genre was not the right phrase... but each Pikachu character has it's own entry. Are they not similar in genre? I'm beginning to repeat myself, but I believe it could be the beginning of a new form. The kid who was falling asleep during the Bush speech that was made famous on David Letterman was also probably similar in sense to stealth disco. It's possible that stealth disco will alleviate tensions during important political summits and pave the way to new understanding between heads of state. Quite a few people search for stealth disco on search engines and this article currently has more information than any other site. Isn't it worthy that this information continue to be available for future generations to build upon? --Joi 09:10, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
- "But it is sort of a similar genre." If you believe that this just another example within a larger genre, then perhaps you can identify what additional benefit exists in recording Stealth Disco, specifically, in an encyclopedia? If not, what is it that makes Stealth Disco noteworthy?
- I guess it depends on whether you think 10% is a lot or a little. But it is more than "Stealth Disco, on the other hand, is Halley Suitt, Joi Ito and their friends perpetrating practical jokes on one another." I would not dispute that AYB is much bigger than Stealth Disco. But it is sort of a similar genre. At a meta level, do you think it's bad practice to use my blog to drum up interest? (Sincerely interested, not trying to be defensive or anything here.) Anyway, I don't feel super strongly about keeping this article here. I'd vote to keep it because I like it, but if other people feel strongly against keeping this article here, I won't complain. --Joi 05:52, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
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Perhaps such topics would be better in a more collected format? Is there some sort of larger art form heading, like "Stealth Performance Art" or "Internet Performance Art" that this could fall under? It might increase access to the art form and also make its relevance more clear. --chilimuffin
Just realized it's a bit like the opposite of More Cowbell. More Cowbell project, link to video. --Joi 03:56, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Moved from the article
This isn't suitable for an encyclopedia entry; it is philosophizing on the subject, however, and quite suitable for this page.
[edit] Concept
Stealth Disco is another example of the dramatic shift in the creation of media. As videotape recorders proliferate, the production of video has moved from centralized control by a few networks to widespread chaos in the hands of the masses. Precisely because it is so trivial (standing behind someone at work and dancing), stealth disco is a perfect milestone in the progression of how ideas spread in our culture. It is particularly suitable for illustrating the idea of an echo chamber, a communication phenomenon where a group of people who communicate mostly with each other can inflate the apparent significance of a single idea, event, or meme within that group.
I am going to remove the word 'loser' from the article. Unless a person chooses to re-insert it into the text within qoutation marks I feel it's inappropriate to have such a subjective, immature and insulting term in place without a justification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.203.45.147 (talk) 02:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
