User talk:Stavol2

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Welcome!

Hey, Stavol2, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for your contributions. I hope you like the site and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful (some of them may sound stupid, but I recommend you check them out):

While editing, please remember:

You should introduce yourself here at the new user log. I hope you enjoy editing and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name, the date, and the time.

For your first edits, I suggest searching for articles that you think might interest you. You could also be audacious and try a random page.

If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome and happy editing! Cbrown1023 16:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Please sign posts on Talk pages

Just a friendly reminder (I saw your posts at the Help Desk): As a courtesy for other editors, it is a Wikipedia guideline to sign your talk page and user talk page posts. To do so simply add four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your comments and your user name or IP address and the date will be automatically added along with a timestamp. Signing your comments helps people to find out who said something and provides them with a link to your user/talk page (for further discussion).For further info see the talk page guidelines. Thank you. --ElKevbo 17:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

No, I won't be "notified" if you edit your talk page. I will, however, see on my Watchlist as any page you edit is, by default, placed on your Watchlist. You only get the orange bar at the top of your screen if someone edits your talk page specifically.
As to your other question about whether to reply here or on your talk page: it's personal preference. I prefer to keep discussions on the page on which they originated because if we place every other message on different pages the conversation quickly becomes difficult to follow. Other editors always reply on the Talk page of the person who left the message.
And it certainly wasn't a stupid question at all! You're off to a good start here! --ElKevbo 00:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1993 FIS Nordic World Ski Championships

Where is your evidence on the Czech Republic and Slovakia competing as a combined team? Please verify this ASAP oor I will revert this back to the previous edit. Chris 20:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Women's 20km event in 1980

Where is the evidence on the women's 20km event in Falun in 1980? Please provide this evidence, What you also have done on some of the other websites was not considered helping an article, but it is considered vandalism. Please provide this evidence or there will be other editors who will be less civil than I am? Chris 20:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Apologies for 1980 and 1993 FIS Nordic World Ski Championships

After looking at your information, I would like to offer you a big apology for my reaction to what you did. I have made the needed adjustments to the information you had initially provided on Saturday. I also failed to realize the you are still a newcomer and still don't know the ropes on the editing processes. Please accept my apologies and I look forward to working with you in the future. Chris 23:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Communications

Regarding your response from earlier today on communications, you can do it on the discussion boards of the respective article as well as do it on the editor's discussion board. Some people prefer to do it on the article's discussion board while others perfer to do it on the editor's. My preference is on the editor because I can deal with the differences on a one-on-one basis, can develop a relationship with that editor, and can resolve the issue in a much quicker manner. Other prefer to have it out at the article's discussion so that you can a more open discussion. If it is with information that is more historical with people who are familiar with it, you are better off with an editor-to-editor discussion like what we are having right now. If you are dealing with a more current or controversial issue, you would be better off having the discussion done on the article. That is a judgement call that you have to make on each article or issue. Please bear that in mind when you do this. I have had to develop this (and am still working on) over the small amount of time I have been on Wikipedia. Chris 15:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 50 km 1937

I am going by the official results of FIS. That was my basis for this. I see that even the official information gets that incorrect. I will make the according adjustments. My reasons for liking nordic skiing and other comments will be given to you later in the day for the UTC. Chris 03:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Response to earlier comments

As promised in my comments from earlier in the UTC, I have adjusted the 50 km from 1937 regarding Ryen and Karpinnen. Also on editing, you can put your comments down on the edit summary which I strongly reccommend. When you put information down, please cite your sources with a suggestion of looking at WP:CITE which leads you into the Citing sources article in Wikipedia in your articles. The more sources that you post, the less likely you will be challenged on them. This applies to everyone who edits on Wikipedia.

Finally, regarding my interest in Nordic skiing despite being an American (and a Southern one at that since I live in Georgia), is that my main preference is in cross country with the stamina that is involved with the event even though I have never actually participated plus the cost involved (The closest to me in cross country in the US is either in Lake Placid, NY or in Minnesota). Ski jumping is still something I am trying to understand though the guides set up be the IOC and the FIS are helping. Nordic combined's interest is increasing with the development of the Gundersen method in the 1980s. Plus, I actually like winter sports over summer sports. I hope this helps. Chris 14:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article talk page discussions

FYI. Whenever a suggestion is made on a talk page and enacted, please do not blank the page. That is considered by some to be vandalism as what you did with the talk page for the 1997 FIS Nordic World Ski Championships. There are people who are vandalism patrollers on Wikipedia and they are a lot less tolerant than I am on that. I have reverted what you had on there as a matter of record. Even after it is done, you are better off leaving it there. The more open you are on what you do in Wikipedia, the better things will be for you. By the way I did that adjustment on the Team large hill for the 1995 FIS Nordic World Ski Championships per your recommended. Also, good job on the List of FIS Nordic World Ski Championships medalists in nordic combined earlier today about the Gundersen method. Usually when I check my watch list and see what adjustments are and they are good ones, I generally leave it alone. You are improving. It is going to take time. Now let's see how you can do in doing these edits by yourself. Chris 21:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Additions to other articles

I did make the adjustment for the 4 x 10 km at the 1937 FIS Nordic World Ski Championships to have it more clear in English on your comments. One thing I might want to add on all of your times and points to the championships done is to make certain that you put in the source to where you got this information. At the end of each article, there is a section called "External links." These are links where you can access information outside of Wikipedia. The best advice on getting this in is to have another Internet viewer screen whether it is Explorer or something else and copy the link onto the page. Some people copy the link as is and leave it while other try to clean it up for readability.

Some of the other ones I have done involving making something more readable was either with Lars Bystøl or Roar Ljøkelsøy, two ski jumpers from your country who competed at the 2006 Winter Olympics in Turin. You can click on the history of either article and you will see my username Miller17CU94 on there. It can show you what that version was before hand and show you the difference between selected versions. These versions can be subtle or just complete whosale difference depeding upon who is doing this and why. It is fascinating to see how all of this plays out over time. Chris 01:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Women's 20 km event in 1980

I made the adjustment on Veronika Schmidt changing her name to Veronika Hesse on the 1980 event. I also did that on the templates as well. If you click on the edit of this message, you can see two names that are bracketed and adjacent to one another. The name on the left is the link that can be addressed while the name on the right is the link that is shown on the screen. For many of the female XC skiers, you can see that. Look at Evi Sachenbacher-Stehle and then at Evi Sachenbacher on some of the templates or some of the results as examples. Many articles with female XC skiers use one article as the main and if there are other names, they will use redirects as well. Chris 13:23, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Classical v. freestyle

Appreciate the input on the classification. We do refer to the relays as legs. In the US, they are referred to as 1st (or leadoff. I know in XC and biathlon, they are called scramble), 2nd, 3rd, and anchor (or 4th). Merry Christmas. Chris 13:49, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Medals table

In regards to Yugoslavia and Slovenia, I understand where you are coming from on your information, but I would prefer that we keep the nationality of Yugoslavia as is until they were aplit up in 1991. When you are looking at information on article winners, you want to make sure you are accurate in your information when it came out even if the country that person represents no longer exists, such as Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, the Soviet Union, East Germany, and West Germany. I have seen in some of David Wallenchinsky's recent Olympic books, specifically the Summer Olympics, that he will have a Soviet athlete followed by their actually nationally. An example of the would be Jaak Uudmäe, an Estonian who on the men's triple jump at the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow representing the Soviet Union. Wallenchinsky would have that shown in his book as SOV/EST for Soviet Union/ Estonia (The IOC would show it though as URS/EST.).

My advice is to leave the Yugoslavian stuff prior to the early 1990's alone. Anything beyond that, I would suggest following the information given at that time. You do not want to run the risk of reinventing the wheel. A lot of editors do not care for that.

Also, my condolences to your country on the loss of Ivar Formo, who drowned on December 26. I was the one who initially created the article on him back in June of this year in the English Wikipedia. Chris 19:36, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] YUG/SLO comments

Regarding the YUG/SLO comments from earlier, we can agree to disagree on that. Regarding the filling in of the information, do it. Please make certain you put in the sources on those events when you do so. Remember to look at WP:CITE if you need some assistance on this. Chris 20:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article adjustment issues raised on 1-12-2007

Made adjustments to the Sven Selånger article, including all of his medals won. moved comments from the 1933 FIS Nordic World Ski Championships to Ski jumping at the 1936 Winter Olympics if you wish to have a look. It is also on his article page as well. Adjusted distances of 18 km to 17 km both the 1929 and the 1930 FIS Nordic World Ski Championships, including the medalists and winner template for 18 km/ 15 km as well. Changed Oscar Gjøslund to Oscar Gjøslien by creating a new article on the latter by transferring information on the former and then redirecting the latter to the former. With the special symbols, it is more difficult to make redirects unless you create it in a list first, then click on it. I hope this helps. Chris 19:30, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article comments from 1-13-2007

I looked at your edits and did make some adjustments. On the 1926 FIS Nordic World Ski Championships for the 50 km, I adjusted it to make it more readable in English. I also added the lanuage icon to your source from the 1926 (in Finnish). For the 1997 FIS Nordic World Ski Championships source, if the results are in a foreign language like Norwegian, you can add this icon {{no icon}} to the end to let the user know that they accessing information that is not in English ({{en icon}}. Regarding the link from the German Wikipedia source, I would leave it like that though I do like how you did it for the 1926. For the 1993 FIS Nordic World Ski Championships on Espen Bredesen, I removed the comment because his poor performance at the 1992 Winter Olympics was already mentioned on Bredesen page and there was no need to see the information twice although you could say that it was redundant on the "Lahti Six" during the 2001 FIS Nordic World Ski Championships or on the "SoHo Trio" during the Cross country skiing at the 2002 Winter Olympics as well. Something to think about. I am looking more forward to the World Championships in Sapporo than I am to the Super Bowl in Miami right now. Chris 21:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Additional comments 14 Jan 2007

Regarding book sources and stuff, you can list the book as is with the references. I suggest you look at Jacob Vaage, an article I created that has listings of books that were not accessible over the internet. With some editors, if they see an actual book listed, it gives the article much more credibility than with an internet link since the internet links can become inactive over time. If your information from the 1997 FIS Nordic World Ski Championships covering all of the championships from 1925 to 1995 is accurate, then by all means put it in. Make certain to cite the source, listing in its own reference category, by creating "Reference" flanked by two consectutive equal signs (=), then listing the source. If you can do that with the times and points, this will really give all of those events credibility. As far as football, I am interested in the Super Bowl though my favorite team, the Seattle Seahawks, just lost in overtime to the Chicago Bears (who I also like) earlier today. My other favorite team, the San Diego Chargers, is leading the New England Patriots (who I also like, located near Boston, Massachusetts) 7 to 3 with less than 5 minutes left in the first half. I will still follow the road to the Super Bowl though not as closely as I have been. Besides the Worlds in Sapporo, i am also looking forward to NASCAR's Daytona 500, which will occur the Sunday before the Worlds in Sapporo as well. I hope this helps. Chris 23:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference listing

The reference looks good. What you will need to do to really ensure that it is legitimate is the following example shown below:

  • Author's last name (if availible), Author first name. (Year book published). Book title. (This is shown with two of this symbol (') flanking the "Book title."). Place book was published: Publisher name. Page (p.) or Pages (pp.) where you obtained the source.

You are getting there. Now all you need to do is add more information about the source. Leave {{no icon}} in there. If this book is in other languages, then put those languages in as well. We are slowly getting the pieces of this puzzle connected. Chris 23:36, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Updates 17 Jan. 2007

On the medals table for the Soviet Union and Russia to be split, it was actually User:Cmapm's idea. I suggest you discuss this with him. I made a correction on the reference for the 1939 FIS Nordic World Ski Championships. On italicizing book titles, if you have a smart icon listing for this (which should look like a slanted "I"). Click on it and it will give you an example of what this is. I also told you incorrectly on how to do this. For anything to be italiczed, the word must be flanked by two apostrophes ('). Having the word flanked by quotation marks (") does not work. I apologize for not making myself clear on that. As far as the ISBN listing, I would keep it. I do not know how to link this, but there are other users or their bots (These are robots set up by users to do the repetitive tasks such as category adding, copyediting, spell checks, etc. I don't know how to make one and I am not going to try right now.) who will probably do so. The correction I have for the 1939 as a reference is the way to go.
You are improving. What you may want to do as well is to create your user page, including userboxes. You can go to WP:UBX to load up on them as well. This will get you more noticed on Wikipedia as well. They even have a thing on adoption if you are interested. Chris 00:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Medal table

Keep the zeros in the FIS Nordic World Ski Championships for clarity reasons. Other than that it looks good. Chris 20:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Thank you. Chris 23:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Follow up to January 22 comments

I made all of the adjustements per your request. They have a table on each article called "move" where you can move one page to another provided you have a legitimate reason to do so as what you did. You can looks at them if you like. Chris 15:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sellin page move

Good job on the move of Gustaf Adolf Sellin. As far as the comments with your friend from Sweden, I would take it up with them. You are getting there. Chris 20:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Medal table adjustment

It looks like you did the fix yourself without my assistance. Good job on the fix. Chris 20:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need your help on something

Long time no hear. I need your help on the FIS Nordic World Ski Championships 1993 regarding the issue with Dæhlie and Smirnov in the men's 10 km + 15 km combined pursuit event. You know that book that you had for the 1997 event at Trondheim which had the results for all of the FIS Nordic World Ski Championships from Johannisbad 1925 to Thunder Bay 1995? Can you put the reference of the 1993 event in that article in order to verify this issue with another user I am dealing with? I would greatly appreciate it. Chris 12:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

  • I put the link in on the 1993 championships. Thanks for your help. Chris 12:05, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
    • If you addressed it in the proper manner with the FIS, they should be able to respond. What I have learned is if you politely put pressure on them and back it up with your supporting fact, they will eventually cave and make the needed adjustments. Keep trying, just make certain to be diplomatic about it. Chris 14:46, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] World Figure Skating Championships

I looked at the file per your request on the World_Figure_Skating_Championships on the Ice Dance section and clicked on the edit. It turns out the edit is a template. What you do there is on the search box, type in 'Template:' and then the exact wording in between the double braces ({) and (}). This will lead you directly to the link and you can do the editing accordingly. Why it was set up like that I don't know. Who ever was doing the article previously must have done that before hand and why it was done I don't know. I hope this helps. Chris 13:07, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FIS Nordic World Ski Championships

Hello. I did not know that Estonia competed in the 1938 championships even though they did not even medal in the event. Thanks for the adjustment though. Chris (talk) 15:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FIS Nordic World Ski Championships 1989

I made the adjustment more readable in English for the FIS Nordic World Ski Championships 1989 per request. Chris (talk) 23:01, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

It is fixed. Sorry about the misinterpretation of what you wanted done. Chris (talk) 18:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)