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[edit] re: All-Star Squadron roster list.

Please do not re-insert a roster list into All-Star Squadron. This information is already available at List of All-Star Squadron members which is linked to the main article. This has been referenced in the edit summaries for the main article.

The move was made to attempt to pull a large chunk of clutter out of the main article, and the current consensus is to keep the information separate.

Thanks, - J Greb 02:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fredric Vaux

If Vaux only appeared once, and there's no currently written articles or essays about his similarities to Faust, then he may fall under lack of notability. My initial feeling is the article should be deleted, but it looks like you know more about him. I'm going to give a first gasp at re-writing the entry in a better format, but if it's a stub, it may be deleted eventually. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 18:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of character counterparts in the DC multiverse

List of character counterparts in the DC multiverse

To Netkinetic - I'm very well-versed in the DC Multiverse, particularly the pre-Crisis version (there are indications that a new Multiverse is gestating), and these comparisons/counterparts are valid as outlined below:

For Earth-X:

  • Uncle Sam serves the Superman purpose as the single-most powerful character for that world
  • Firebrand serves the Batman purpose as the rich playboy who fights crime
  • Miss America serves the WW purpose as a red, white, & blue-clad heroine (and DC themselves initially used her in WW's place in the JSA after Crisis on Infinite Earths since the Golden Age version of WW was wiped from continuity)
  • Quicksilver serves the Flash purpose as a super-speedster
  • Red Torpedo serves the Aquaman purpose as an undersea-based hero with ties to an underwater civilization
  • Alias the Spider serves the Green Arrow purpose as a heroic archer
  • Black Condor serves the Hawkman purpose as a flying man with a bird-based name
  • Dollman serves the Atom purpose (particularly the Earth-One version) as a shorter-than-normal hero
  • Phantom Lady serves the Black Canary purpose as a fighting female with a suggestive outfit
  • The Jester serves the Vigilante purpose as a law enforcement or court official who takes it upon himself to additionally fight crime in a costumed identity

It should be noted that the Earth-X characters were originally owned and published by Quality Comics, a direct competitor to DC/National Comics, and during the Golden Age when both companies were active, character-copying was not just common but the rule, however, function-copying was tougher to prove in court than direct concept-copying, so that explains why the world-by-world comparisons here (long after the time DC bought the rights to the Quality characters after Quality went out of business) may not seem intuitive at first glance

For Black Canary:

The Silver Age version is the Earth-One version; granted, her first few years' worth of Silver Age appearances were on Earth-Two, but for the remainder of the character's appearances, she had migrated to Earth-One, and then it was revealed that it was actually her daughter who had made the trip (retroactive behind-the-scenes memory wiping/replacing was key in this); also, the Silver Age Red Tornado had likewise originated on Earth-Two, but soon after migrated to Earth-One, and had been treated as an Earth-One character ever since


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P.S. Starmiter, your list is intriguing although I do not necessarily agree with all your conclusions as already noted. Just not an article that is appropriate for Wikipedia under the current guidelines. Regards. Netkinetic(t/c/@) 03:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding Squadron Supreme

Thanks for your comment. I was simply using Mozilla Firefox to correct the spelling in that article, and its default language is US English. At Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English, it states that "If there is a strong tie to a specific region/dialect, use that dialect". Squadron Supreme was written by Roy Thomas, who's nationality is American. I'm not sure if that's considered a "strong" tie, but it is one. — Wenli 03:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry if I made it seem as though I thought you were criticizing. Happy editing! — Wenli 01:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List

And that's why my comment was all the way to the left, untabbed. It was about the article itself. It wasn't a reply to you. Doczilla 01:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Multiverse reference

If they know DC Comics well enough to know the multiverse no longer exists, they should know it well enough to know it previously existed. It's not practical to explain the multiverse every time an article mentions Earth-Two. Linking Earth-Two would be sufficient if you're concerned about that. Travislangley 04:28, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

With the second paragraph, I understood what you're saying, and the information is noteworthy. Clarification is needed, in my opinion, before "undone" will make sense to people not already familiar with the Per Degaton stories. I was getting around to reinserting the information with different wording when you messaged me. If I hadn't been removing the multiverse info, I'd have waited until I'd rewritten the "undone" statement before removing the previous wording altogether. Travislangley 04:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I'm no longer as certain about restoring that sentence because editing the article has reminded me of the numerous stories that did not end with everyone forgetting what happened. Travislangley 04:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Saying "in 1982" fits the story description just fine. The slight change in wording makes it clear that it's about the story context rather than real world publication history. Travislangley 04:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Right now, I'm just confused about why such a huge portion of Per Degaton's history got deleted from the article. I restored a previously deleted section. Now I'm going to leave the article alone for a while because I've got to figure it out again. Take your stab at cleaning it up. I'll butt out. Travislangley 05:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Tense will be tricky. Generally, fiction is supposed to be reported in present tense. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Comics/editorial_guidelines#Present_tense to try to figure out how the exceptions apply to the Per Degaton article. Travislangley 17:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
My recommendation on tense, based on past experience when I've struggled with this, would be to first put it all in present tense. When done, read it to yourself from beginning to end and see which parts just flat don't make sense and/or convey the wrong idea about story events as read. You've done a great job on the Per Degaton article. (Heck, you did a good job editing the articles I've been voting to delete, but those deletions are about Wikipedia style issues, not about the quality of your writing.) You write well, you bring a good knowledge of story history with you, and you have a great ability to see how things fit together. Whatever you do to the tense will certainly be tweaked by others, including some who misunderstand the style guideline and think every word is supposed to be in present tense, but if you're seriously interested in addressing the tense issue in that article, you've got the ability to lay a good foundation. Doczilla 06:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, even though most of his activities took place during World War II, that was the present at the time. I know it's weird dealing with the guideline about how fiction is supposed to be in present tense, but to a time travel like Per Degaton, all of history is present because he can visit different times as easily as a normal person can visit different locations. Backstory, things that have been revealed about his personal history prior to his actual printed stories, is about all that's supposed to be in past tense. Doczilla 18:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Regarding chronological order: You really have to look at how events fit his personal history. Some of his WWII escapades were not actually published back then. So try instead to order them according to his biological age. In his memory, which event would have happened first? In his memory, what is most recent? Doczilla 18:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Evil Twins in Comics

Hi, I saw your comment in the the deletion discussion for that page, and I'm concerned you've been upset by it. Don't be, it's not personal, and I think you genuinely have a reasonable idea to cover, but it may be you didn't quite do it up to the standards Wikipedia is trying to keep. I suggest looking and seeing if you can find any documents and sources that discuss the idea (scholar.google.com is one possibility, Wizard magazine another), then rewriting an article based very directly on those. It might also hope to choose a better name, I think evil twin threw people off. Anyway, don't let it get to you, it's certainly an interesting idea, but its time may not have come yet. FrozenPurpleCube 06:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, the specter of original research bothers some people, occasionally a bit excessively, but the best way to deal with it is to find somebody saying it, however minimally, and try to show that it's a good reference. Heck, this article sounds like something you'd find in a comic book magazine since it makes for general interest into certain variants. I don't know if there's any kind of index to wizard, but looking for the Crime Syndicate of America might give you solid keyword to find. You might also try WP:COMICS to see if any of them can help with sources. FrozenPurpleCube 15:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Counterparts listing

Starmiter,

It served no pleasure to see the counterparts entry deleted. It was proposed strictly out of principle, nothing more. While I may arrive at some different conclusions from yourself, I like the energy you've shown along with a positive demeanor in the face of opposition. That is a quality I have been struggling to manifest myself on this site, although with time it grows easier. As an aside, I thought you'd possibly be intrigued with this site which I located while browsing. Admittedly it is a blog, and some conclusions seem a bit...obtuse, perhaps? However it seems to be somewhat in line with what you've proposed. Regards. Netkinetic (t/c/@) 23:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Starmiter, I guess I've learned in my time here that guidelines are strictly adhered to by the general populance of Wikipedia. The intent for this site is to compile facts from established outside sources with some measure of credentials in their established fields and present them to the general laymen in a concise manner. How an individual would qualify as an expert in counterparts and multiverse related topics aside those in the publishing field is definitely a mystery. As an aside, if you wish to reinsert the external link towards the page you set up I won't oppose it further, although I have a feeling some more set in their ways may. And trust me, there are a *lot* of articles/categories/etc that really do not deserve to be here, not just the counterpart page. Netkinetic (t/c/@) 03:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Starmiter, that is indeed an interesting page...although the author is unaware of certain characters. For instance, I think Rival would've been the counterpart for Professor Zoom, both manifesting powers through artificial means along with similar costumes to both Flashes. See, it can be intriguing, even I'm starting to do it! I think sites like that one and the one I found, however, are what would be termed as "blogs" as to Wikipedia standards. Original conclusions does seem applicable under certain circumstances, I do agree. Netkinetic (t/c/@) 04:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] re: Earth-Three image change question

Mainly it was the green airbrush flare that was added over Power Ring's hand that was the problem. That was something that was added after the cover was scanned, or the file of the scan was retrieved from another website. It's hard to justify "fair use" of an image owned by another when it's being fundamentally altered.

Generally the following aren't looked at as fundamental alterations:

  • Cropping (as was don in both versions here)
  • Restricting focus by blacking/whiting out all but the desired subject. (as you upload had)
  • Restricting focus by gray-scaling all but the desired subject. (as mine has)
  • Whiting out all text in word balloons and text boxes, but not replacing it.
  • Color correcting, generally to undo the effect of yellowed pages/covers.

My personal preference is for gray-scaling over obliteration since it retains all of the original art save color, hence that particular change.

- J Greb 00:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


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