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[edit] What to type

{{Stargate character |
image = |
caption = |
name=|
race=|
gender=|
rank=|
birthplace=|
film=|
tv=|
first=|
key=|
}}

Optional: parameter qrace to qualify the race without disrupting colour automation.

Note: List key episodes with quotes and linebreaks, first episode without. Eg:

 |first=[[The First Ones (Stargate SG-1)|The First Ones]]
 |key="[[Beast of Burden (Stargate SG-1)|Beast of Burden]]"<br/>"[[Enemy Mine (Stargate SG-1)|Enemy Mine]]"

[edit] Talk

I think a "race" field may be necessary. We are not dealing with human characters only. A character may be Tau'ri, Goaul'd, Asgard, Tok'ra, Wraith, etc. -- Andromeda 7 July 2005 08:38 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion.
I was looking at the template in use and... would be perhaps be better to add a "caption" field like other templates have (I'm thinking the Superherobox) and code the "< small >" into the template? I think it would be easier for people to use it. Just an idea. -- Andromeda 8 July 2005 03:07 (UTC)
That would be nice...the problem is I don't have the slighest idea how you would do that.
I copied the code from Template:Superherobox and I tried it in Jack's profile. The text could be made smaller if you prefer. -- Andromeda 16:49, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Will a "first apparition" field be too much? -- Andromeda 00:10, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

I was thinking of adding a "Birthplace" field similar to the "Home planet" field in Star Trek profiles. We are dealing with characters not born in Earth and, specially in Atlantis, with characters of several nationalities (as shown by the patch they wear on their left sleeve while in Atlantis). If no one opposes, I'll implement it on Monday. -- Andromeda 08:34, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't see the point of a caption for a portrait picture, when the character's name is the next line anyway. —wwoods 08:14, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Most of the time it is, but sometimes it's useful. For example, for characters that had been portrayed by two actors (O'Neill, Jackson or Weir), the caption allows the writer to specify which actor appears in the image. It may also help them to specify if the image belongs to a specific episode or something like that. But that's just my opinion anyway. -- Andromeda 08:38, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
It would be nice to have a way to specify a character's first appearance on SG-1, Atlantis, etc. E.g. Weir's first appearance in SG-1 and her first appearance in Atlantis. Alternatively, if we could define text (similar to the first appearance text) to describe why the key episodes are so important to the character, that would also be good. --Tim4christ17 22:25, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
The key episodes bit isn't processed at all, so you can put what you like. It isn't hard to add an explanation of why it's important. See Jaffa (Stargate) for an example. --Tango 22:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] bgcolor and fgcolor params no longer needed

...as they are defined by {{SGColor}} (and fgcolor is always black). Maintenance has already been done to remove calls to these parameters. If needed, a bit of code can be added to this template to make ones which have deprecated parameters stand out:

{{qif|test={{{bgcolor|}}}|then={{hidden|1=<small><font color="red"><div style="position:relative;left:-2em">your help needed</div></font></small>|2=<small>This template has a parameter <code>bgcolor</code> defined, when that parameter has been deprecated and needs to be removed.<br /></small>[{{SERVER}}{{LOCALURL:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|action=edit&editintro=Template:Stargate_race/Instructions&section=0}} fix me!]}}|else=}}

[edit] bcakground adition

I was about to change the text to white when Andromeda reverted again, i will not revert again as i do not wish to violate WP:3RR (which he has done) if anyone objects to a background (like other infoboxes) please say here. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 15:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Also your argument is flawed, the name would look bad as well if the title looked bad. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 15:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
No, it isn't because the name uses a bigger font size and doesn't have links. --Andromeda 15:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

1) I have *not* violated 3R. Only 2 were reverts, the other were edits. 2) I oppose because putting a background color in "Stargate character" makes the phrase hard to read with most races. Not everybody that visits Wikipedia has a 20/20 vision. Black text and dark lilac link on a dark red background (most characters are human) is hard to read. The colours were agreed upon by the Wikipedia:WikiProject Stargate and took us many discussions. And using the bgcolor parameter is something we worked hard to delete. If someone has suggestions, I'm open to them. I just don't think this is the correct solution. --Andromeda 15:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I removed bgcolour and was about to make the link white when you made your fourth revert. Please see your talk page on how to recitify this and i will not report you. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 15:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

White text? Sorry, I don't like the idea, it clashes with the rest of the design. Perhaps the best solution may be to ask in the project to change the background colors, lighten them a bit so they may be easier to read.--Andromeda 15:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

The colours are fine, what colour text do you propose then? Matthew Fenton (contribs) 16:01, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I like the current black text. It's simple and nice. Coloured text is always a very tricky bussiness. I always prefer to change the background. --Andromeda 16:16, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I've just gone through and counted. Matthew reverted 3 times, Andromeda reverted 4 times. Andromeda, I strongly suggest you revert your last edit, or you will be reported for a 3RR violation (If Matthew doesn't do it, I will - 3RR is one of the most important rules we have). Once you've reverted it, we can discuss what is best to do. --Tango 20:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I asked him to did this on his talk, he decided he would rather face a block. I considerd reporting him, but i could not do it as he is a good editor and i wouldnt feel right getting him blocked so i just decided to leave this page as he wanted. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 20:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I would say refusing to obey the rules, even after being asked to by 2 different people, means he isn't a good editor. I'll keep an eye on his contribs, and if he edits again without reverting his last edit, I'll report him. --Tango 21:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, done. But I still think it makes for a hard to read template, so I'm going to change it again in the morning unless we find a better idea. And I fail to see how a non-meant error counts for more than hundreds of edits. And I'm a she. --Andromeda 01:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I still think that white text is out of harmony with the rest of the template. It stands out more than the rest of the really useful information. The eye goes to it, instead to the content. --Andromeda 01:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Addendum: The thing is, I fail to see why we need to put a background to that text. It looks perfectly fine without. --Andromeda 01:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Because the top bar has a background in other templates. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 07:33, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for reverting your last edit, and I apologise for using the wrong pronoun. I agree, I don't like the white, it doesn't fit the rest of the template. I'm all for consistancy between templates, but it needs to be done in a way that looks good. --Tango 12:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

If someone suggests something better im all for it :) Matthew Fenton (contribs) 12:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)