Talk:States headed by Elizabeth II
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[edit] The new article
Love the new article, G2. PS- is this sorta a response to Gazz's concerns at List of Australian monarchs article? GoodDay (talk) 23:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
- I realise I'm getting a rep as a major wet blanket, but what is the difference between this and Commonwealth realms?--Gazzster (talk) 03:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- On second thoughts, I take it back. On principle its rather good. It's a good start to simplifying this morass of CR articles. Well done, G2.--Gazzster (talk) 03:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- And I like 'states headed by E2' rather than Commonwealth realm.--Gazzster (talk) 03:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- GoodDay: Thanks, and no, this wasn't intended as any "response" to Gazz's concerns. This table just covers the reign of EIIR, so it can't replace any lists of leaders for other countries.
- Gazzster: If this simplifies things, that's great. However, I highly doubt it can replace much of what's covered in the CR articles. Maybe it means some excess can be taken out of Commonwealth realm now, though. --G2bambino (talk) 14:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- And I like 'states headed by E2' rather than Commonwealth realm.--Gazzster (talk) 03:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- On second thoughts, I take it back. On principle its rather good. It's a good start to simplifying this morass of CR articles. Well done, G2.--Gazzster (talk) 03:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Would it work better if arranged horizontally, rather than vertically? JPD (talk) 13:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- No... I think it's actually rather a cube right now, and if turned horizontally the dates' columns would be more spread out than their rows are now. I thought about somehow turning the country names vertically, but I've no idea how to do that in html, let alone if it would actually help. --G2bambino (talk) 15:27, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean by a cube, but I've tried some horizontal versions at User:JPD/Sandbox. I prefer the horizontal version, but if the vertical format stays, it at least needs some more date columns. Turning the country names might also be a good idea, if possible. JPD (talk) 03:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] This page is very confusing. Why do dates start at time of independence?
I find this page rather confusing. Enlighten me.... Why do the darker green dates start at the time of independence for many relams? It gives the impression the Monarchy didn't have any role prior to that... For example:
- For Australia and Canada, the Queen's role flows from top to bottom..... This seems ok-- it gives the impression the Queen was incharge from beginning until now.
- However, for Barbados + Jamaica many other countries etc... it starts half way down the page??? it gives the impression that the Queen/monarchy was not in-charge at all prior.
Following independence that is when the first Queen's representative known as a "Governor General" was appointed but before that Barbados, Jamaica etc. etc. pretty much all had "Governors" that also represented the Monarch.... Just like how a head of Governent prior to independence are a "Premier" and after independence they become a "Prime Minister".... In other words.
The current territories of the UK:
- Bermuda(UK)
- British Virgin Islands(UK)
- Cayman Islands(UK)
- Turks and Caicos Islands(UK) etc.
All have a representative of the Queen known as a "Governor", + a Head of Government known as a "Premier".
The former territories of the UK:
- Barbados
- Jamaica
- Saint Lucia
- Grenada etc.
All have a representative of the Queen known as a "Governor General", + a Head of Government known as a "Prime Minister".
CaribDigita (talk) 21:03, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
- Before independence those countries weren't countries. --G2bambino (talk) 02:56, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
- Hmmm. The title does say "states". JPD (talk) 03:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
- Well, if the state is not independent Her Majesty Q.E.II (is currently and was at the time) also the Head of State of the U.K. so she still would have "headed" those nations as well even if they were territories... And in fact she would have had more power in the *territories* when they had Governors, rather then when they became Governor-Generals... The GGs pretty much carry out all of the Queen's duties now-a-days in the countries they are resident in... So it's actually the Governors General now that is doing the "Heading" in most of these nations. The Queen today pretty much just gives a passing "nod" or assent via her representatives. CaribDigita (talk) 15:47, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
- Interesting, there's some at the Australian articles who suggest their Governor General is Australia's HoS. GoodDay (talk) 17:10, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
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- Actually on the Parliament website of Barbados too they say their GG is their HoS too... http://www.barbadosparliament.com/heads_of_state.php I'm guessing they made an error... However, the role of the Queen now has diminished to practically nothing. The parliaments around the world have continually passed various legislations stripping more and more power from the Monarchy and vesting it in the GGs. At this point, supposedly the only power the Monarch still really has over Barbados is to declare the nation in a State of Emergency. CaribDigita (talk) 18:52, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- That occured to me too. As far as I know, Australia is the only former British colony governed by a GG whose powers are defined by a constitution. but I think the issue is obscure enough to let pass in this article. It would be too messy to explain.--Gazzster (talk) 20:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
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- Don't I know it. I still got a 'bump' on my head, from the Kevin Rudd article 'infobox' discussions. GoodDay (talk) 20:59, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
- Interesting, there's some at the Australian articles who suggest their Governor General is Australia's HoS. GoodDay (talk) 17:10, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
- Well, if the state is not independent Her Majesty Q.E.II (is currently and was at the time) also the Head of State of the U.K. so she still would have "headed" those nations as well even if they were territories... And in fact she would have had more power in the *territories* when they had Governors, rather then when they became Governor-Generals... The GGs pretty much carry out all of the Queen's duties now-a-days in the countries they are resident in... So it's actually the Governors General now that is doing the "Heading" in most of these nations. The Queen today pretty much just gives a passing "nod" or assent via her representatives. CaribDigita (talk) 15:47, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
- Hmmm. The title does say "states". JPD (talk) 03:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Before each state achieved independence, the Queen reigned as Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, on independence, the Queen reigned of whichever state in question, eg. Queen of Barbados in Barbados rather than Queen of the UK in Barbados. That's why not all states are shown as being headed by the Queen since 1952 many weren't states then but still part of the British state. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.135.120.35 (talk) 13:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] States headed by Elizabeth II: United Kingdom?
This article describes the states headed by Elizabeth II. Why is the UK missing? Is this not headed by Queen Elizabeth II? Demophon (talk) 08:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- It's there. The list is in alphabetical order from left to right. --G2bambino (talk) 14:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- It's there all right, once you scroll far enough. I still prefer a horizontal version, but if noone agrees, can we at least have more date columns? JPD (talk) 02:05, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
