Talk:State recognized tribes

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[edit] The Occaneechi

"The Occaneechi are not officially recognized as a tribe by the state of North Carolina or by the federal government."

Is that no longer true? If so, do you have a citation for the change of status? Thanks. -Harmil 20:00, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Here's another reference from 2001: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=nc&vol=appeals2001/&invol=000561-1 -Harmil 20:05, 26 July 2005 (UTC)


Hamil,

Occaneechi are officially recognized.

If you read the case you cite, you will note that the court held for the Occaneechi that the decision of the Administrative Law Judge, who recommended that the commission grant tribal recognition to the Petitioners, became the final decision of the case because the agency failed to issue a final decision within the time limits set forth in N.C. Gen. Stat. § 150B-44 (1991). The Agency did appeal this decision, but the Supreme Court of North Carolina denied review (and disolved a temporary stay) in 2001. see 354 N.C. 365, 556 S.E.2d 575 (2001).

See also: http://www.doa.state.nc.us/cia/tribes.pdf

Xlation, 28 July, 2005

Good enough! Thanks for the info. -Harmil 15:51, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Very incomplete

I would think that it makes more sense to organize this page by state, and we really need a much more complete list. There should be at least as many entries here as there are at List of Native American Tribal Entities (which is the federal list). -Harmil 13:37, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Scratch that. I just read the "but not" section... I now understand. Can we get citations for each of these groups? Thanks. -Harmil 13:38, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup is badly needed

Some current problems with this page:

  • External links in section titles
  • Huge run-on sentence fragments are linked
  • Links strewn in with text in inconsistent ways

This is a good list to have, as distinct from List of Native American Tribal Entities, but it really needs work. -Harmil 02:33, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Georgia

I've removed the chunk of unencyclopedic advocacy text in the Georgia section (diff). If there is some sort of controversy over one of these groups, some sort of reliable sources would need to be provided, and much different wording. Quietvoice 06:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New material from ncsl and Sheffield

I added a bunch of new material from a couple sources, along with citations. I didn't put citations on any of the groups from states that had links to state government pages, but perhaps double or triple citing these would be smart. I assumed that the state's page was a more up-to-date list, and was as strong or a stronger source than mine. Should I mark (with citations) the groups that Sheffield and ncsl mention that already have state links? Also, feel free to remove/discuss any groups that you know of which have had state recognition revoked.

Also, Sheffield notes that Florida, Maryland, and New Mexico have processes in place by which a group might be state recognized, but have not recognized any groups. Should that go in? Finally, usually lists have articles that go with them. Is there an article on state recognized groups? If not, what title would be appropriate? Best, Smmurphy(Talk) 18:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Native American tribes in Virginia

The article Native American tribes in Virginia has the following:

"There have been various bills before Congress with the goal of acquiring Federal Recognition for six Virginia Tribes. Sponsors of such Federal recognition bills have been Senator George Allen, R-Va and Rep. Jim Moran, D-Va. These bills would grant federal recognition to the Chickahominy, Eastern Chickahominy, Upper Mattaponi, Rappahannock and Nansemond Tribes, and Monacan Indian Nation."
"On May 8th, 2007, the US House of Representatives passed a bill extending federal recognition to the six tribes mentioned above."

Is a House bill sufficient, or does this still have to go through the BIA or the Senate? Does anyone have a source handy? Best, Smmurphy(Talk) 20:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Choctaw Nation of Mississippi River Clan

A user just made this adition to the article. Though seemingly sincere it just doesn't seem encyclopedic or appropriate to this article. I moved a short mention over to the unrecognized tribes article, and raise the issue on that talk page. This appears to be a group that had federal and state recognition at one point (though not under the current legal designations), but was later denied on a claim that the tribe ceased to exist. What should a tribe, tribe member, or anyone else do to establish the notability and validity of a tribe's existence (as opposed to its claim for government recognition) to the point where it's appropriate to include on Wikipedia? I think the usual notability, verifiability, and reliable sources criteria have to apply, but we should be extra understanding because of the sensitivity of the issue and because the things that unfairly keep a tribe from state and federal recognition are the very things that make them hard to argue for on Wikipedia. We don't want to perpetrate the injustice by applying standards that deny the truth of the past. Wikidemo 02:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

To me, http://www.ncsl.org/programs/statetribe/tribes.htm is rather convincing and authoritative. If you want to add something that isn't listed there, you should be sure to have a reference. Smmurphy(Talk) 14:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
It was hard for me to understand exactly what the claim was about this tribe/band. As far as I could tell the claim is that it was historically "recognized" but that it does not currently have formal federal or state recognition. Hence, I moved the material to the new article-in-process for unrecognized tribes. But even there, I'm not sure it's sourced. If you are interested you can see the discussion there. Wikidemo 19:41, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Etowa Cherokee Nation

What was the reason for removing this tribe? Smmurphy(Talk) 15:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I guess its in the unrecognized tribes article. There it says that they petitioned in 1990, is that refering to a federal petition or state? Smmurphy(Talk) 15:58, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure, but I suspect it means Federal since tribes don't need to petition a State for recognition (you know, that government-to-government interaction thing) but simply be acknowledged in a state bill or be specifically be the the state's constitution and its ammendments. A good example of the hair-splitter is where a governor recognizes a tribe, but since wasn't in a state bill or be specifically be in teh state's constitution and its ammendments, a tribe wasn't recognized by law according to the state, or the case of a state's Indian commission recognizing a tribe only as part of the historical context, i.e. as part of the state's cultural stake-holder. CJLippert 17:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vermont

The statement for this state is unclear: "Currently, Vermont law only recognizes Abenakis as Native American Indians, not the tribes or bands." Vermont calls Abenaki individuals as Indians, but doesn't recognize bands? Rmhermen 23:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

That's confusing to me and I don't know the legal situation in Vermont. It would be nice if someone could find a source or even another Wikipedia article to link to, and explain that a little more. Wikidemo 23:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michigan

The Gun Lake tribe is now federally recognized. Does this not make the intro here slightly incorrect/incomplete? Rmhermen 23:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes that would. To avoid duplications this list is only for state recognized tribes that are not federally recognized. Once a tribe is recognized it should go into Federally recognized tribes instad of here, preferably with a citation to an article or notice about it's recognition. The list is changing, as you can imagine. Wikidemo 23:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Hold on, there. The Gun Lake Band of Potawatomi, now called Match-e-be-nash-she-wish Band of Pottawatomi Indians of Michigan is federally recognized but the Gun Lake Band of Grand River Ottawa Indians is not. CJLippert 00:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Ah, I didn't catch that. Thanks. Rmhermen 15:03, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Missouri and Ohio

An anonymous editor added a claim that the article was incorect as these two states do not have an recogition process. Our linked sources show these tribes as listed but perhaps they are incorrect? Rmhermen 16:05, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll check up on Missouri, but I can say that though Ohio has no formal recognition process, it was the Ohio Senate passed a recognition bill to recognize the one Shawnee tribe there. When I find more on Missouri, I'll post something. CJLippert 16:28, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I was at the State of Missouri's site and it seems that they, too, have no formal recognition process, nor did I come across an office/commission/agency of the State to establish a government-to-government dialogue. However, I did find that Missouri State Senate Bill SCR 008 of August 28, 2001, passed, recognizing "Northern Cherokee Indian people of Missouri," which if we go the various list, it seems to imply that it is the same tribe as the one calling themselves "Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory" or the "Northern Cherokee Nation of Missouri and Arkansas," but I couldn't find a darn thing about the "Chickamauga Cherokee Nation" other than at the NCSL site, and that based on other lists there are two different tribes named "Chickamauga Cherokee Nation." So, should we keep the Chikamauga Cherokee Nation on the State list since they're listed by the NCSL or should we move them to Unrecognized tribes since I couldn't find them on State of Missouri's government site? CJLippert 18:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] California

I think some of the info with regard to the G-T tribes should be put in another page that deals specifically with the G-T tribe.Ceqa (talk) 16:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)