Talk:State of Jefferson

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What other proposed states have there been? I know Puerto Rico. I guess there's two types: territories already in the US and those outside the US like PR. --Chavez 04:20, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

See 51st state and List of U.S. state secession proposals for a number of these. Sarge Baldy 22:12, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] State box

Isn't it a bit misleading to use the standard state box in describing the State of Jefferson, if it's still only a state of mind? For starters, unless they have some kind of governing body already, they can't really have an official state flag and whatnot; borders and other statistics might be better as "projected area" or "proposed area." Maybe a better phrasing would be "proposed state flag" or "official flag of the State of Jefferson Citizen's Committee"? Very interesting article here! Keep up the good work, --Khazar 16:23, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I added proposed to the infobox header, hopefully that's prominent enough to get the point across. --iMb~Meow 22:53, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
It's still inappropriate to use the infobox. The State of Jefferson is a concept and never got beyond it. It's ludicrous to state it has definite size, area, and borders when there were several proposals as to how many counties the state were supposed to be composed of. Nevermind that many of the fields, ie, current elected officials, can never be filled in. hateless 07:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jefferson Rocks!!!!

I am from the "State" of Jefferson and I think the idea totally rocks!!! All Oregon politics are decided in Portland and Salem and all California politics are decided in Southern Cali. People in Northern Cali. and Southern Oregon are fed up with being ignored. The State of Jefferson still has support!

63.149.54.99 20:39, 31 May 2006 (UTC)Mel

[edit] Redding

According to this article, Redding, California would be the largest city in the state of Jeffeson. Yet, Redding is the county seat Shasta County, which according to this article, would not be a part of Jefferson. So is Redding in Jefferson or not???

-User: Mmace91

That's the neat thing about an imaginary state, it can contain as many cities as you like ;) The current-day Jefferson pipe dream adds several counties to the south and north that didn't participate in the 1940s demonstrations. See for example this version from the people who sell the Jefferson merchandise. --iMb~Meow 20:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Updated the map thingy to help explain the mystery of Redding :) --iMb~Meow 23:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Just to set the record straight, Shasta County is indeed part of the State of Jefferson as per the "Statham Talks" during the 90's on the State of Jefferson.

[edit] Other use of name

In the days when American adventurists were agitating to annex the remainder of the so-called Oregon Country, which is to say, British Columbia, the state-name proposed was Jefferson; this was 1858-1860 or so.Skookum1 16:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Move to "Jefferson (proposed U.S. state)"

This isn't a current state, so to remain factual, we should only note it as a proposed U.S. state. At its current state, this article implies that this is a current U.S. state. --Mrmiscellanious 20:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk: Fisheries Plan

This section…

Many citizens of "Jefferson" feel threatened by National Marine Fisheries Service's plans to create fish hatcheries along the Klamath River, as well as creating a buffering zone along the river. This buffering zone would oust many people from their homes and even demolish an entire town.

could be improved wrt pov. How about...

Many citizens of "Jefferson" feel threatened by National Marine Fisheries Service's plans to create fish hatcheries along the Klamath River, as well as creating a buffering zone along the river. These plans attempt to address the drastic reduction in the number of salmon in the Klamath. The buffering zone would oust many people from their homes and even demolish an entire town name the town, and put citation here.

with better wordsmithing – the point is to balance the entry to explain the Fisheries Service plans. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 157.127.124.15 (talk) 00:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC).

...Another liberal with unsupported claims strikes again.... If you want the name of the town and citation, how about supporting your claim of "the drastic reduction in the number of salmon in the Klamath" with some factual data and cite the sources.... The truth is that the entire mouth of the Klamath and 40 miles upriver are under the direct control of a Native American tribe with unrestricted fishing access to the salmon population... let's not punish the remainder of the Klamath region population unless the federal government is ALSO willing to impose upon the Native American tribe reasonable restrictions on fish harvesting that will benefit ALL peoples in the region. ... But wait, under federal law we can't do that to the Native Americans, so instead the government chooses to misplace blame (intentionally, for the good of the tree-hugging liberals) on the hardworking taxpayers of the Klamath and mis-use the environmental regulations using the excuse of a declining fishery. No wonder the State of Jefferson will live on forever in our hearts and minds until it becomes reality.

[edit] Start class

If there was more than just the one inline reference this would be real close to a B class article. Aboutmovies 17:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Uncited

The following section is all uncited, and part of it appears to be contentious, so I pulled the whole thing out.

Today there are more talks of creating the new state, mostly only half serious. Many citizens of "Jefferson" feel threatened by National Marine Fisheries Service's plans to create fish hatcheries along the Klamath River, as well as creating a buffering zone along the river. This buffering zone would oust many people from their homes and even demolish an entire town. Meanwhile, others in "Jefferson" have embraced the idea of the entire Pacific Northwest breaking away from the United States and Canada to become its own country, Cascadia. A large barn off of Interstate 5 north of Weed, California has "the State of Jefferson" painted on the roof. Indeed, some local drivers have license plate frames declaring themselves citizens of Jefferson.

Seems to me cites needed are:

  • Reference to the project creating fish hatcheries and the buffer zone.
  • Reference to that project evicting people or demolishing a town, including which town.
  • Reference to Jeffersonians embracing the Cascadia nationhood movement.
  • Reference or image of the Barn -- I know it's there, but a cite is needed.
  • Reference or image of a SoJ license plate frame.

- Keith D. Tyler 17:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Source for expansion/citations

  • IDEA FOR STATE OF JEFFERSON PREDATES OREGON, CALIFORNIA. The Oregonian, July 20, 1997, Author: JOHN TERRY. Aboutmovies (talk) 00:16, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


Okay, but I think Mendocino County shouldn't be part of Jefferson. Too much involved with San Francisco's megalopolis to be in another state. Just my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.8.255.79 (talk) 18:36, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Maybe it wasn't part of a magalopolis when Jefferson was proposed. -- SEWilco (talk) 03:25, 9 March 2008 (UTC)