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Reviewed version: February 3, 2008

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[edit] Disambig

I was redirected here from a search for HVA... I was looking for the chemical though... And there is also the Herpes Virus Association. Could we put in a disambiguation link at the top? Thanks N i g h t F a l c o n 9 0 9 0 9' T a l k 20:55, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Just wanted to point out those 16,000 bags have not been reconstructed yet, and may never be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Russianpotato (talk • contribs) 01:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I moved the page from "STASI" to "Stasi" since nobody ever uses the capitalized version. -- Djmutex 15:11 21 May 2003 (UTC) Sorry, but many informations are wrong

  1. only a part of the MfS was an spy organisation the HVA (Hauptverwaltung Aufklärung)
  2. stasi was a bad organisation and a crime against the civil rights but it have nothing to do with the GeStaPo its more like NSA

I came from a social democratic fammily my parents and I had problems with all systems but my grandparents dys in an KZ and I think there is a big different between Nazideutschland and the DDR --80.108.102.143 17:18, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I would like to see the citation or evidence for this allegation: "..Many early Stasi officers were former officers of the Nazi SS with East German Communist leaders actively seeking former Gestapo and SD personnel to lead the Stasi in its formative years." I don't believe it--everything I've read tells me the East German communist goverment was much more thorough in their 'Entnazifizierung' than West Germany. I mean, why would East German communists actively seek out revanchist, rightwing former SS? As if they didn't have enough of their own Stalinist fanatics to fill the Stasi leadership ranks in the early days?? If the East German state did seek out former SS/SD, it would be to ship them off to the USSR and Siberian gulags to pay for their war-crimes. -JJR

I heartily concur, that as a policy Nazis, who were were brutal to the Communists and other Leftists during the rise of the third reich, would have been dealt with with little sympathy whether they had been S.A., or S.S. However, OTOH I wouldn't be shocked to hear about a handful who were consulted. Even the US sought information from and pardoned Nazi scientists and Japanese war criminals after all. But did they actively seek them out to fill their ranks? I find that very hard to believe. Khiradtalk
At the end of the war the franatic Russian communists putting together a ruthless secret police state in an occupied country ( effectively ) would find the skills of some former Nazis very very useful. Communism was, and is, much closer to Nazism than democracy. However to be NPOV many post-war German organisations in both parts of Germany used former Nazis, and I can't believe that even a large minority of the Stasi would be ex-Nazi. Simply because how would the communist government of East German trust them? David.j.james 13:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
A Former SA member may have been acceptable, if he joined after Hitler came to power, since the SA were purged in part for having Leftist leanings. Also, a former Nazi could use the defence that he had joined only because it made no difference wether he was a party member or not, he was simply trying to stay alive. If he could come up with evidence to show that he had sabotaged Nazi efforts, that may help him as well. Then thre would have been the experts who the Stasi needed, and those who managed to cover up thier past. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 150.101.102.188 (talk) 10:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

I specified that Walter Ulbricht was the East German leader, because the common reader shouldn't have to click the link, though the curious reader will. Just better form, which clarified the context more. I also used the term "leader" rather than secretary, to simplify the meaning for those unfamiliar with Soviet style Communist states. But as long as it is specified who Walter Ulbricht was, I don't care what term is used. Khiradtalk 23:47, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

I really think that the historical inmportance of this group is WAY understated if not all most non-existent. The length of spying we so great under this regime of "big brother" like atmostphere that to not list it here seems almost, well, planned. These people put cage traps on people toliets to make sure they were not flushing political stuff down the toliet. Also I think that the relationship between the Nazi Secret Service and the formation of the Stasi with under the style of the KGB is also not really layed out for the reader. I also would like to DISPUTE the pro-stasi stance here, and remind the reader that there is a difference between what are "leftist" and "marcsists" as I would more then assume they were saving Communists in south america, not just liberal, as the wording infers. I would also like to see the blurb on the "mass Survielence" page be added to this one, strange it isn't here as it would not be redundant and was the sole purpose of this group. But of course this is just my side of the discusion, one wanting cleary facts, less opinion.

The former Stasi headquarters were sold in 2004 for $1.50? Where is this information from?

[edit] Size

The current English article says STASI had 91,000 employees and 300,000 informers. The German article says 91,000 official and 100,000 unofficial coworkers, and dates this number to 1989. Both articles mention the estimage that 1 in 50 citizens collaborated, but in the German article this is limited to citizens between age 18 and 80. In both articles, these numbers should be given proper sources. The numbers are important, as it is often (and most probably correctly) claimed that GDR had the most comprehensive surveillance of any regime. --LA2 20:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

In an article in 25 May 2007 , in BBC News it says that : "Some calculations have concluded that in East Germany there was one informer to every seven citizens."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6692895.stm Kayhan (talk) 01:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] German Communist Party

There is no such thing as a GCP - there is only a PDS, a WASG and a Linkspartei (literally: left party).

[edit] I'm fed up wit the proliferation of unnecessary "citation needed" tags in Wikipedia.

It's ugly. Whoever is doing it, please think harder about whether a citation is really needed before sticking a tag in. In this article, there's the following:

CIA agents acquired some of the Stasi records after the 1989 fall of the Berlin Wall and the subsequent looting of Stasi premises[citation needed]. The Federal Republic of Germany has sought their return and received some, but not all of the files in April 2000. BBC

The first sentence has a citation needed tag, but the next sentence points to a BBC article that is a citation supporting what is said in the first sentence. Therefore the "citation needed" tag was unnecessary.


[edit] Vandalism by Wiggy!

User:Wiggy! vandalised th link of the Homepage of the MFS. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stasi&diff=prev&oldid=141147644

[edit] Link to Victim Account

Perhaps we should have this link, a first-hand account of the brutalizing of one young man by the Stasi http://www.kulturring.org/inhaftiert/roellig-e.htm

What do you folks think? Stanistani 22:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, the Amadelio vblog is entirely in German, and perhaps a tag should be attached to that link stating so. Stanistani 01:36, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Trivia

Hi, I dont know how to contribute properly, but just wanted to comment on something written in the Trivia section. I was at the Stasi Museum in the Runde Ecke in Leipzig today, and can't possibly imagine it receiving 3,000 visitors daily.

If you go back perhaps you could ask someone there what their average volume is. 71.233.36.155 (talk) 19:18, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Some recomendations for improvement

This isn't a GAN review, just some quick recomendations for improvement.

  • Only full dates, and dates with a day and a month, should be linked.
  • Citation Needed tags need attending to.
  • Trivia sections are discouraged
  • Web references need the author, publisher, publishing date and access date.
  • External links only belong in the External links section. Epbr123 (talk) 10:29, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks working on it Russianpotato (talk) 08:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Quick-failed GA nomination

According to the quick-fail criteria of Good Article nominations, any article that has cleanup or expansion banners, such as the one in the Trivia section, must be failed immediately and does not require an in-depth review. Please remedy any issues brought up by such banners and remove them before choosing to renominate. I would also recommend you enact the changes outlined in the section above by Epbr123. If you feel this review was in error, you may seek a reassessment. Thank you for your work so far, VanTucky 00:15, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Trivia to be added as needed to the real page

At its zenith, the Stasi had records on some six million people. It also had an archive of sweat and body odor samples.

The Stasi was known for the radical, fantastical methods it employed. One of the most common methods was exposing suspects to a radioactive material, then using Geiger counters to follow them.[citation needed]

The Stasi's Leipzig building Runde Ecke (en:Round Corner) was preserved in its original condition, and now is a museum. MARK IST THE GROSE MAN AUF DENN WORLD HE IST EIN LEIDER —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.45.53.122 (talk) 14:06, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] mark

mark is een groot man hij is gewoon goed hij doet aan www.tribalwars.nl —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.45.53.122 (talk) 14:08, 17 March 2008 (UTC)