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1 Robots in Disguise
2 Tech Spec
3 Unicron Trilogy disambiguation page
4 Last Words
5 Big Horn
6 Fair use rationale for Image:Bw starscream.jpg
7 Fair use rationale for Image:Tww screamer.jpg
8 Dead link
9 Movie treachery?
10 Fair use rationale for Image:R starscream 1197.jpg
11 Fair use rationale for Image:R starscream041.jpg
12 Fair use rationale for Image:R starscream043.jpg
13 Fair use rationale for Image:R starscream138.jpg
14 Fair use rationale for Image:Starscreamanimated.jpg
15 2007 movie: movie plot

[edit] Robots in Disguise

It is a valid point that RiD is notable as a series which lacks a Starscream. However, we do not need to create a section to SAY that - merely by NOT including it, the fact is made obvious.

As to Smokejumper, however, I cannot agree that he warrants a mention simply because he shares a mould with Starscream. This page is about Starscream, and Smokejumper is not Starscream - who the toy may once have been is irrelevant. Perhaps if there was something else of substance worth writing about for RiD, then this could be casually mentioned amdist it, but to create an entire sub-section on the page for such a tangentically-related trifling is silly. You don't see all the other Seekers specifically listed because they share a mould with Starscream, do you? When a toy is a repaint of an EXISTING figure, mention it, because it's worth it (example: mentioning that BW II BB and Starscream are repaints of G2 Dreadwing and Smokescreen). When a toy GOES ON to be repainted into a DIFFERENT character, it's NOT, so it doesn't usually need to be mentioned on the original character's article, y'get me? Especially not when it's the only point there is to make in an entire sub-header. Case in point: Smokejumper. He is his own character, and other characters should be covered in their OWN articles, linking back to Starscream where relevant.

EDIT: I've made a "Dreadwing" page to cover the Dreadwinds, Darkwings, Dreadwings and their buddies out there, which is the perfect place to include Smokejumper.

[edit] Tech Spec

Couldn't help but notice that the article has Screamer's tech specs now. Doesn't this goe against the wikipedia copyright rules? --15:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)SMegatron

I don't think there is a policy against mentioning the 8 numbers, just in copying down the full paragraph of text without putting it in your own words. user:mathewignash

Tech specs are the property of its creators and cannot be reproduced without their consent. --Madchester 22:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

TECH SPECs are property, this is just mentioning a couple numbers, not copying the whole spec. for the text of the article, people put it in their own words, but it's hard to put 8 numerical digits in your own words. user:mathewignash

[edit] Unicron Trilogy disambiguation page

Well, anyone with me?

Honestly not sure. I don't think it has enough to warrant a separate article, but then I said that about Unicron Trilogy Megs and I was wrong there. Maybe if it was put to a vote?SMegatron 19:08, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, this page does come to 14 pages printed on my printer. Could be smaller. What were there? 3 Starscreams? The first was G1, G2 and Machine Wars the BW Spark that possessed Waspinator, the second is Beast Wars Japan (later Hellscream), the third is UT. If you do break it down maybe all three would be appropriate. Not that Beast Wars Japan Starscream was major, but who do you stick him with? He's a unique character to the others. user:mathewignash

The more I think about it, the more I like it. The Screamer article is just going to get longer - there's the parallel universe versions of Starscream thrown up by Evolutions to put in, and Infiltration Starscream (probably) isn't dead. Plus the movie version will have to be put in when it comes out. So maybe moving it now is better. Also, its not like we couldn't expand Uni Starscream any further - I've been wanting to expand the Dreamwave Comics section for a while, but never got round to it. Now though...SMegatron 10:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

One thing though. If we do move it to a new page, could we fix all the redirects on the other articles? I went on a rampage doing exactly that for links relating to the RiD and Unicron Trilogy Prime and Megs articles and I really don't want to again.

EDIT-woops, that was me.SMegatron 20:52, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Last Words

I'm not really sure how relevant this is but I believe I've seen similar mentions on some of the other pages. Anyway in the Beast Wars Episode Possession Starscream gets his last lines in the original Transformers continuity. They're rather interesting in my opinion; "I'll be back! Even if it takes a thousand years, I'll be revenged on you all." While the thousand years portion of the line was likely included as foreshadowing in the event it was decided that the series was set on an ancient earth, which it eventually was, there was another possible reference that I noticed. Starscream's final lines are in notably archaic terms, a departure from his previous speech patterns in the episode. Just as Dinobot seemed to have a taste for Hamlet, Starscream might have been alluding to one of Shakespeare's plays, namely Twelfth Night. In the play the steward Malvolio seeks to raise his social status by marrying the lady Olivia, an aspiration that seems akin to the Deception's own ambitions. Having been tricked and humiliated, just as Starscream has by the end of the episode, Malvolio, unable to find true compensation for his suffering, storms out of the room and the play. His final lines are "I'll be revenged on the whole pack of you." I'm more than willing to accept that this is just coincidence/I'm reading too far into this but I thought I'd throw it out there in case anybody found it interesting or relevant. 69.117.57.73 07:30, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

It's entirely possible, having read said play not all that long ago, that the writers had this in mind when writing the scene (and Dinobot's last words on his page do actually have a link to the Hamlet page). However, I'm not sure its relevant enough to be put on the page. Thoughts?SMegatron 20:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Big Horn

"Starscream and BB packaged together, and also in a pack with the Maximal Big Horn." May I suggest an article describing "Big Horn" in the context of the transformer toys, since the link points to a mountain. --> Big Horn (Transformers) see Battle Beasts and Big Horn icon Kgrr 16:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Bw starscream.jpg

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[edit] Dead link

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[edit] Movie treachery?

Did Starscream really fire upon Megatron as a disguised F-22? After all, after transforming for the last time, he had two F-22s tailing him and one ahead! Darth Sidious 23:05, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, he does. The 3 writers acknowledged it at a convention, and one of the ILM people also acknowledged it in an interview. The writers said that it will come into play (along with the missing Barricade) in the next movie. Watch the movie frame by frame, and it is as obvious as the nose on Ray Romano's face. webzpinner —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.222.223 (talk) 17:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] 2007 movie: movie plot

From article: <<He says "I'm running out of time", which is not subtitled.>> Humm, your source please? Unless you're right and you have a Cybertronian-English dictionary (which I strongly doubt), we will have to wait until the sequel to know exactly what he said (or we may never know). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.37.34.247 (talk) 00:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)