Talk:Star Wars vs. Star Trek

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[edit] This is so getting deleted

This page is going to disappear in a heartbeat. As it stands, this page is also incorrect. The people conducting the debate call it "Star Trek vs Star Wars". So a page with the words reversed is using the incorrect name. And of course there is the fact that by the last AFD, there is zero notability here. A single produced film certainly doesn't qualify. Alyeska 05:44, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Then nominate it. An admin said it could be recreated, and it is sourced. The reason for the order of Star Wars vs. Star Trek is because every single legitimate source calls it that. Forbes is not a trivial reference, when an entire article is talking about it. Also, the same for a movie. Turlo Lomon 19:37, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
So when a news source calls any warship a Battleship and any tracked vehicle a tank, we take them as being accurate. Talk to people involved in the debate and you will fast learn that it is STvsSW. SWvsST is absolutely inaccurate, that is not the name. Alyeska 20:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
And that is when it becomes OR. Three verifiable sources were found to establish notability. All three referred to the subject as SWvST. The movie title also refers to this. I created redirects from all possible variations of the title. I see that someone has added 3 links, and I will check those out when I can for added material, but remember, I am trying to establish a notabile subject as a valid Wikipedia entry. To do so, we have to follow policy. I am not your enemy. Turlo Lomon 03:20, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
So the incorrect news articles are more reputable then the people involved in the source of the articles. Wonderful. That just proves Wikipedia is fatally flawed. Knowingly using incorrect information. Alyeska 05:59, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
If you have a problem with it, then find sources. So far, someone has added 3 additional sources. Guess what. SWvST was used at the first one I looked at. If you want me to start taking you seriously, then supply sources. Right now, all I have is what you tell me, and that is why the last FIVE AfDs occurred. Because people started on OR instead of references. Fact: The movie is called SWvST. Fact: Forbes referred to the debate as SWvST. What facts can you supply? Turlo Lomon 06:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Addition Made I added your suggested feedback, once I found sources. There is no reason to have such a hostile tone with me. I didn't have to recreate an article I have no vested interest in. Turlo Lomon 07:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
One last thing... Your statement "you will fast learn that it is STvsSW" is clearly biased, as the pro-Trek sites all seem to call the debate by that title, just as the pro-Wars sites all refer to it as SWvST. Bias and OR is what got the last article deleted. I am trying to give a valid topic an entry, and so far, you have been nothing but negative with me because I chose a NPOV instead of your side? Turlo Lomon 07:27, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
It is not just 'pro-Trek sites'. st-v-sw.net, alt.startrek.vs.starwars, the Completely Unofficial Star Wars Encyclopedia, and Wookieepedia are all counter examples that list Star Trek first. So far the only sites I have seen that list Star Wars are pro SW egofests.--BruceGrubb (talk) 06:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Could someone please provide a link to the WP:DRV that overturned the prior AFDs on this article/topic? Thanks. Postdlf 21:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, found it. It didn't overturn the prior AFDs so much as it allowed for a reboot that would avoid the OR problems in the original. Postdlf 21:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Most of the prior AFDs and VFDs on the previous incarnation of this article (there were, if I recall correctly, 4-5 in all) failed. There is no room for question as to the notability of the topic (it is by Wikipedia standards) or the existence of reliable sources providing material to recycle into tertiary sources (not all of which are currently cited by the article); it is only on the thin grounds that the article appeared to contain some original research that the deletion was endorsed rather than overturned in a contested DRV. Balancer 02:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] the science of star trek/wars?

were did the bit about the science of star trek and the science of star wars go? i liked that bit! can someone at least point out which revision it was because i cant find it on history81.108.233.59 (talk) 18:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

well...can someone!81.108.233.59 (talk) 11:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

(sighs) how come no one listens to me in real life AND whenever i say something on the internet? oh well, since im not any use i'll just curl up and die81.108.233.59 (talk) 15:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

all right dont worry found it! i think we should add those links to this article though —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.99.253 (talk) 17:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why Star Wars vs. Star Trek instead of Star Trek vs. Star Wars?

This is biased since a neutral order would follow the alphabetical order.

A < ... < T ... < W ... < Z —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.225.75.5 (talk) 16:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

To answer your question, it is because that is the name of the movie that the article is based on. A compromise was made to reverse the order in the remainder of the sentence to eliminate bias. How is using a movie title as the source biased? Turlo Lomon (talk) 12:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arguements

guys, post your arguements over who's better either here, or on the main article under Arguements pro-trek arguements get a cookie, pro-wars arguements get a cake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by I am a jedi (talk • contribs) 07:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Please read the previous statements above to realize exactly why your post is a problem. We can't have OR (original research) in this article, so any of the arguments you would like to propose need to be sourced. This is what caused the article to be deleted in the first place. Unfortunately, I felt it was in the articles best interest to undo your edit. Turlo Lomon (talk) 12:39, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

It was not a problem, if it was OR, as you call it, there would only arguements supporting one side. —Preceding unsigned comment added by I am a jedi (talk • contribs) 21:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

You can't add original research. You need reliable sources. You failed to do both in several articles, and you're completely ignoring your warnings. Please try to read WP:NOR and WP:RS, for starters, which has already been left on your talk page more than once. We can't help if you continue to completely ignore everything we tell you. 75.66.233.162 (talk) 21:58, 19 May 2008 (UTC)