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[edit] Spoilers

There are some pretty serious spoilers in this article without any warning. I don't know how these things are handled, but I think it should be addressed.

[edit] KotOR III

"A third game is projected by Obsidian."

Is there a source for this? I've recently contacted Obsidian about a new KotOR sequel and they stated that no plans have been made yet regarding KotOR III at all. HK51 17:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

You're right. KOTORIII is only speculation. IGN is of the opinion that there will be one, but Obsidian and Lucasarts remain silent. I'll remove that. – Xolatron 18:23, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


I hope Bioware makes KOTOR 3. Obsidian already screwed up KOTOR 2, they shouldn't be allowed to repeat their mistake. Let the people who made the only good KOTOR game (the first one) make the only good sequel too.

Bioware won't make anymore sequels, just originals. They have stated that they won't make KOTOR3. If anyone makes it, it'll be Obsidian. KdogDS 23:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

what was actually wrong with the sequel, or was it like Halo 2; that it didn't have the same feel as Halo:Combat Evolved? Pece Kocovski 11:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, the game was rushed heavily, and as such, there are several sections of the game where it is obvious that something is supposed to happen. For example, on the last planet of the game, there is a section where, on the map, two additional rooms are shown, but the doors don't actually exist (though the graphics for the doors are there). EVula 17:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, you really shouldn't be hard on Obsidian, after all, They were original from black isle, Biowares other company that made Baldur's gate series, in fact Baldur's gate series was a success at that.

Pece Kocovski 01:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I for one, felt cheated out of my money and was a bit outraged by KOTOR 2. Huge dissapointment to the fans. Darthgriz98 01:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Can you please explain how this game is worse of then the original? I only know that most of the original characters are not in it. Could you show me a website where it explains? Pece Kocovski 23:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

There really isn't a website, you just have to play and it's personal opinion. A lot of thing s were left out of that game like the HK factory, the ending with Atton dying, so on. If you have the computer version, you can find some of these files apparently. There are way too many unfulfilling plot holes that most likely won't get filled in. Darthgriz98 00:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


If you think Obsidian screwed up Kotor 2 then you have ALOT to learn, it was really Lucas Arts because they pushed the release date from 2005 to 2004 which caused Obsidian to rush it. So it wasen't Obsidians fault it was Lucas Arts.

I think Obsidian should make it since they never got a chance to show off their true talent.

Maybe, but what i think is that if BOTH Bioware and Obsidian Entertainment made it. after all, they both did that for the Baldur's Gate series. Although back then it was known as Black Isle.


Pece Kocovski 06:50, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Yea but my main point was to clear up the confussion of the whole its Obsidians fault, have you guys heard of Team Gizka? You should Wiki them because their restoring the cut content for Kotor 2.

09:16, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I think Obsidian actually did pretty good for it. The game regularly gets around an 8-9 out of 10 in rating sites, despite the huge amount of cut content. They still managed to make the game dark and enjoyable, so, I thought it was good. The big fault I found was the frame rate. It got choppy in quite a few areas, but the overall story was good.

But, again, LucasArts fucks it up, and gets crazy around the holidays. It didn't even come out in time for Christmas. About four days late. Hardly worth the sacrifice... :( The Wretched 02:49, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Well it was both Obsidian's and Lucasart's fault. Lucasarts rushed Obsidian in order to get it out for a 2004 Holiday release. If Obsidian would have had more time, it could have been better than the original. Obsidian had good ideas that would have been awesome, but they couldn't include them due to being rushed. Although they could have said it wasn't ready to lucasarts when lucasarts wanted them to release it. Although the good news is when kotor 3 is made it will be awesome because lucasarts wants each game they make to be really successful which is why they are only making two star wars games a year now. They also have learned their lesson about rushing and aren't rishing anymore. Look at the force unleashed, it was supposed to come out in november, but has been delayed to february. Although lucasarts could have just rushed it to get a highly anticipated gmae out. 69.221.218.152 01:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, it was both company's fault because the ceo of obsidion has stated, he would rather leave a game incomplete than push a date back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MTomlinson1988 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cannon?

I've got a friend who says that KOTOR is not cannon to the movies OR the expanded universe. I'm not sure if that is true and if someone could clarify and (if it is not cannon) make a note of that on the article, that would be grand.-norton112200

The KOTOR storyline is canon to the expanded universe (EU), but the game mechanics (d20 - systems for determining hits, etcetera) are not. And in the canon version of the storyline, Revan went to the light side and was male. Generally these Star Wars articles don't have notes about canon, but perhaps a system should be started to add a small note somewhere on the page. – Xolatron 19:47, 24 Telona 2006 (25 May)
It's canon. You're is probably one of those people that can't expand it's horizon to EU... The Wretched 02:42, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
The official website treats it as canon although it takes no preference to any of the alternative endings that can happen in the game. Emperor001 22:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

When the game first came out there was questioning as to how canon it was, moot point now due to retcons.--Darthbalmung 01:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Wait, I thought that Revan went darkside. Comments in game suggest this. Also Atton states that Revan was female first, you have to tell him that Revan was male. Was it just loading my KOTOR 1 data and using it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.120.253.173 (talk) 22:22, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] pictures

i've got countless pictures of KotOR which i can contribute. 68.192.172.119 19:37, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC) <-twas me. Lockeownzj00 19:38, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Could this be any more NPOV?

[edit] Modding Community

There has been a modding community for KOTOR I and II for some time. Its called Holowan Laboratories should I create a section on this article for it? or make a entire article for it? -- User:Psi edit

Why not add a link?

[edit] Bugs (PC Version)

I'm starting a section on bugs because, as excellent a game as KotOR is, it still has its bugs...at least, the PC version does, I'm not sure about the XBox version. Any info on bugs from the X-Box version would be highly appreciated. Ynos 02:38, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

bugs

A bug I've encountered mulitple times is where the screen goes black, but I can still here my character move around. I use an x box.

In my PC version of KOTOR, the game would not load from desktop. You would hit "play" on the menu, the Ebon Hawk would appear, but nothing would happen. After several minutes a message would appear reading that the machine couldn't authenticate the disk in time. This problem seems to happen when you have another Lucasart game installed, and all of the Lucasart games I have played do the same thing.


207.160.168.243 18:47, 31 July 2007 (UTC)Well, thats Actually a hardware problem. Some disk drives have trouble with Lucas Arts games because of the copyright codes they put in the cd to protect from burning interfere with the burning capabilities of the disk drive

[edit] Gameplay

Perhaps somebody should write about gameplay? Hey, there's a thought. I might do it eventually. Also, the bugs section is really unnecessary. Some guy 07:08, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree. It should mention what the game mechanics are like.(Like the combat system)

Flaming Toad 22:59, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quote

Does anyone know where, or even whether, this quote from Grey Jedi is taken:

"They are the embodiment of Darth Revan's quote from Knights of the Old Republic: "The best Jedi are the ones who are still human.""
--Maru (talk) Contribs 22:12, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
I've played through the game several times and don't recall that quote. It's possible I missed something I guess. Some guy 00:04, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
I commented on this on the Grey Jedi page (which I think a significant amount of is bogus anyways - 90% of the text was anon created and makes little sense to me). I've played through the games many times (although I have personally only playe as a light-sider, I've seen the dark side played) and I can be fairly certain that it wasn't in KOTOR I. Kreia might have said something similar in KOTOR II, but I wouldn't trust her - she is definitely NOT NPOV, and she has so many unlockable dialogs that I have a hard time getting to because of my low influence with her. Grey Jedi needs serious cleaning up and standardization though (which I will do - based on KOTOR, if anyone will give me the okay, because it would destroy a lot of the currently existing text). -Xol 03:00, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revamp?

Does anyone else think this article could use some serious attention? It just seems to be a laundry list of random facts about the game, none of which would be particularly useful for anyone trying to learn about it that hasn't played it already. I realize there are articles about all the characters and locations, but I think this could use a treatment similar to what's going on with the Final Fantasy games - gameplay information and summaries of the story and characters (with links to the main articles for each, of course). Maybe I'm the only person who noticed this and I'm just being annoying, but compared to all the Final Fantasy games, this seems kind of lacking. Adamantium Guy 06:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

No, this article and the KOTOR 2 page both need major revamps or cleanups. The problem is over time, as newbies and anon. users keep adding in their annoying data, no one's been patrolling to maintain some level of readability. That is what is causing this "random" factor feel to them. If you're up to do a re-write, then go for it. --LifeStar 21:04, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Alright, cool. I'll start working on a rewrite towards the end of this week when my exams end. I don't know how much of the game I'll be able to cover right from the start, but hopefully it'll be a good base for others to work off. Adamantium Guy 04:18, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
I can do some revamping - I love this game, and have played it many times. -Xol 03:03, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

The 'Voice Acting' section dosn't even mention the man who voiced Calo Nord. The same guy narrates quite a lot of programs on the 'History' channel too, including 'Modern Marvels'. Paco 21:40, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jolee Bindo =Mace windu (possible)

Do you think its possible that Jolee Bindd is Mace windu's ansector (since kotor is four thousand years before the first movie)?

Pece Kocovski 05:29, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Very doubtful; names are referenced directly (like the Organa family), and that is too much speculation for an article. -Xol 03:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I'd have to agree... just because Jolee is bald and black doesn't mean he's Windu's great great great great great great great great... you get the idea.
I doubt it. His family name isn't Windu.
It's highly unlikely. According to Shatterpoint, Mace is from a backwater planet whose native population is entirely force-sensetitive. The most common explanation for this is that they're all descended from a ship of Jedi that crashed during the Great Sith War, which is set before the game. Stilgar135 23:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
just as likely as it is everyone on earth is related to Noah of Noah's ark --Ditre 06:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not usually the racism finger-pointer, but suggesting that ALL black people are related is fucking racist. -76.16.71.212 (talk) 05:08, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mandalorian

Are Jango Fett and Boba Fett Mandolorians?

Pece Kocovski 06:54, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes. -Xol 19:31, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

No. They are humans wearing Mandolorian Battle Suits (Or rather, the same one, handed down, and later customised by Boba.)

Actually, there is evidence that the Fetts were direct descendents of Mandalorians, and thus are called Mandalorian. -Xol 23:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
The Fetts ARE Mandalorians. Numerous sources, including The History of Mandalorians from Insider has said so. Darth Kevinmhk 08:50, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

They are not true Mandalorians just like the Sith are not true Sith. Somewhere along the way, elite Human mercenaries became known as Mandalorian warriors (true Mandalorians are a grey-skinned species). Lord_Hawk 19:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC-8)

Jango wasn't a true member of Mandalorian blood. He was taken into the Mandalorians by someone named Jaster Mareel. However, he was just as capable as one. The Wretched 02:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes the Fett were Mandalorians, Fett is even a Mandalorian name. There was a bounty hunter who was human (although the Mandalorians are likely a sub-race of humans anyway) but Boba Fett killed him and took his armor. --The Matrix Prime 18:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, and their line seems to go back to KoTOR times. There's a suit of armour and a heavy pistol in the game that both belonged to a Mandolorian named Cassus Fett . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.67.5.201 (talk) 03:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] KoToR III Pushed Back

"As of August 13, 2004, Kotor III has been stalled for production. [1]"

If KoToR III has not been acknowledged as existing in any way whatsoever, as stated on the main KoToR page, then how could it be stalled for production? If I'm missing something just pop this line back in, it was at the end of the sequels section, but it and the proceeding sentence seem to be in direct contradiction. JBK405 23:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KotoR III

When does the next part appear? I can't wait!

Unfortunately, it's not even being planned as far as I know. It doesn't appear that Lucas Arts cares about the series or its fans.One Star Bandit 23:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NOTICE

THIS IS A DISCUSSION PAGE FOR THE KOTOR 2 ONE ARTICLE, NOT THE GAME OR KOTOR III. PLEASE DIRECT THOSE TYPES OF COMMENTS TO INSTANT MESSENGER, EMAIL, OR A GAME FORUM. THANK YOU. :) Darthgriz98 00:46, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to contradict, but this is a discussion page for the KOTOR ONE article, two's at a different page (Petulant, I know, but I've always been a stickler for accuracy). JBK405 04:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Whoops, how did I mix that up? Darthgriz98 02:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ordering Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic

Hi! I have a question.

  • Are there also other online-gameshops except amazon.com, amazon.ca, amazon.co.uk, ebgames.com and ebay.com where I can order this game online? I need to order this game but the problem is that I'm from Europe and amazon.com doesn't send a ship to Europe. Benok 18:50, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

In response to your question provided that it's still required go directly to the LucasArts website by this link [2] it will go to the shop site, however registering is required and yes it does ship worldwide, Warning: Mozilla Firefox is required to access the LucasArts website. SKYNET X1000 19:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Keeping Force powers

You can't keep the Force powers you have after you beat the game can you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.224.228.201 (talk) 13:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

  • No you can't. Because of the story in both games the main character you play would be too powerful from someone who didn't remember who they were or that the Force was taken away from them.

[edit] voice actor of Revan - Rino Romano

was there even a voice for Darth Revan at all in the game? --Ditre 03:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

He does make random grunting noises, small talk during battle and when he is selected. Darthgriz98 02:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Units sold/Earned revenue

The page lists the various awards that the game has won, and that it is an X-Box Platinum Hit (Meaning it's sold over 1 million copies), but it doesn't give the actual number of units sold, or the amount of money earned. Not vital to the article, I know, and I wouldn't expect more than just a single sentence if it were to be included, but I feel that related information should be included somewhere; the units sold/money earned gives a better indicator of public opinion than critial awards, and simply "more than 1 million" doesn't really help. 1.1 million is more than 1 million, but so is 300 million, and there's a big difference between the two (No, I don't think the game sold anywhere close to 300 million, I was exagerating to prove a point). Does anybody know how well the game sold? JBK405 19:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

According to Bioware it has sold 3 million copies to date. 85.211.248.25 22:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New look

I have been working on this article in my user space sandbox for some time now and thought now was a good time to move it to article space. I prosified the critical acclaim section, fixed up a lot of the articles lengthy and unnecessary parts, and added real citations. It still needs a lot of work and a lot more citations, but maybe we can get it to GA someday soon. Darthgriz98 01:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sequel section - rumoured Kotor MMO

Major problems with this section. The Kotor MMO rumour dates from when Bioware announced they had set up a studio in Austin Texas (press release in March 2006.) Various other rumours have appeared since then but absolutely nothing confirmed. The entire section is rumour and speculation with no sources.

Also, it has been known since March 2006 that Rich Vogel, Gordon Walton and James Ohlen are the three key people at the studio. Vogel was the main Producer on SWG, he had nothing to do with it creatively, Raph Koster was the main creative lead. Also, Vogel/Walton/Ohlen did an interview with Games for Windows magazine at the end of 2006, the game is going to be completely different from SWG (both pre and post NGE.) Bioware want to bring what they are famous for in single-player games to the MMO world, story-driven gaming (the complete opposite of the 'sandbox' style of SWG.)

I suggest the entire MMO rumour section be deleted until we get official confirmation on the project one way or the other.85.211.248.25 12:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

The 'SOE losing the license' story is an old rumour, quickly debunked at the time (March 2006) by both LucasArts and SOE representatives. 85.211.248.25 22:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pazaak

Pazaak is redirected to the KOTOR page but nothing about it is mentioned in the page should I add a small section explaining that

  • Pazaak is a mini-game involving cards
  • It is similar to blackjack —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silent Elf (talk • contribs) 01:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
A sentence about the minigames might be appropriate, but more than that about this minor part of the game isn't necessary. The bit about "being similar to blackjack" is WP:OR. --EEMeltonIV 01:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Actually I might just get an admin to remove the Pazaak redirect altogether that might be a better option --Silent Elf 00:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Changed my mind again and decided to add in the Pazaak section I didn't add in the other mini-games because I never actually played KOTOR and don't know about the other mini-games. I added in the blackjack reference because without it anyone new to KOTOR would make little sense of what Pazaak is without it sorry I just couldn't think of a better way to add it in of course feel free to edit/delete it if you think it mangles the page a bit. --Silent Elf 01:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Release date of PC version.

Near the top of the article it gives a release date for the PC version, and later in the same paragraph contradicts it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tzvi Katowitz (talk • contribs) 17:17, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

If your referring to the release date which I'm thinking of, there are different known release dates for different regions and locations for different versions ,Windows may be released later in the year while the xbox version is released early. Is this what's confusing you SKYNET X1000 19:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Certain pages i monitor more closely, and i sometimes don't often go to this article, i will respond more quickly on my user talk page. SKYNET X1000 13:00, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect

How does Starcraft's Starforge redirect to here? Please fix this 68.228.14.91 (talk) 22:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

A "Starforge" also appears in KotOR. If you think a disambiguation page would be more appropriate, then feel free to make one. --EEMIV (talk) 04:47, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

To be fair, Starcraft predates KotOR by a very, very long time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.71.212 (talk) 05:13, 18 April 2008 (UTC)