Talk:Star Model Z84

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[edit] Errors on the posted page:

"a successful run of SMG's based on the German MP-40 design. relaizing they coudn't rebuild the same weapon over and over," While the Z45 was indeed very similar to the MP-40, all others (Si35, RU35 & TN35, Z-62 & Z-63, Z-70 & Z-70/B) were markedly different, many with a number of unique features.

The Z-75 is not discussed in any way.

9 mm Largo caliber versions of the Z-84 are not discussed.

At least two barrel lengths of the Z-84 were offered. These are not discussed.

"Rate of fire: 600 RPM" The rate of fire, as for all Spanish Army Issue (or intended) firearms, is 550 rounds per minute.

"Star was building and importing large numbers of cheap handguns into the US." Many would disagree with this. 1) Their handguns were lower priced than many top brands, but a number of foreign and domestic makers sold guns for similar prices. 2) Cheap implies low quality. Quality claims against Star firearms are not borne out by testing. 3) The US market did not comprise the bulk of their sales. Many guns were sold in europe and Spanish-speaking South America. Significant numbers were also sold in Asia and the Middle East (though often thru 3rd parties, hence sales figures are hard to come by).

"The 1994 Assault weapons Ban )now repealed), banned the importation of many of their designes. This proved disastrous for Star and by 1996 had driven them into bankruptcy." A large number of factors caused at least three Spanish gun makers (and numerous other european firearms manufacturers) to cease operations, combine or be bought out. By no means was the US market the deciding factor. 1) Many Stars were imported after the various US weapons bans. The largest changes were from the 1968 GCA, in fact. I am aware of no changes made to ANY star firearms for the 1990s era US gun control laws. Restricted capacity magazines were made for a number of guns, indicating their sale after the magazine capacity ban. 2) Legislation in various european countries restricting the ownership of firearms had a much greater impact on their sales, especially domestically. Shoobe01 23:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)