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[edit] Mascots

Isn't the "Blue Monster" still considered one of the school's mascots? It was introduced as a mascot during the 2004-05 school year, and although Fr. Deye announced in June that it won't replace the Bomber, he never indicated that the Blue Monster would cease to be one of the school's mascots. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs, blog) 06:57, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

While there's nothing official saying it's not a mascot, there was absolutely no mention of it in the 05-06 year. Chandlerm06 05:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vidit Mirabilia Magna

I've never seen or heard of this motto; I graduated in June 2005. Is this motto new? – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs, blog) 20:04, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Vidit Mirabilia Magna is found on the seal of St. X and is one of the general motto of the Soceity of Jesus coming from a statement by St. Ignatius. I graduated in 2003 and it would be mention now and again. 24.209.243.37 10:42, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for the clarification. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs, blog) 02:15, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Photo needed

This article needs a photo to illustrate it, perhaps a photo of the school's front façade and entranceway. We could take a current photo from the school's website and include it under fair use, but it would be preferable to get an image that could be licensed freely. We could take a historical photo or two from their website, though. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs, blog) 02:21, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Page title

Although St. Xavier isn't technically within the Cincinnati city limits, it's known elsewhere as "Cincinnati St. Xavier" when playing sports, because it's very close to Cincinnati proper. So I suggest moving this article to either St. Xavier High School (Cincinnati, Ohio) or St. Xavier High School, Cincinnati, Ohio. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs, blog) 05:12, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism Removed

"This is the gayest motto of any school anywhere.

Many sexual-related scandals have shattered the integrity of St. Xavier High School. Recently, in the 2004-2005 school year, several St. Xavier students were reprimanded for selling professional pornography. There have also been many rumors of the large amount of homosexuals that have walked through the doors of St. Xavier. In a recent poll, 58.7% of current St. Xavier students declared that they have had sexual contact with another male."

This section is totally inappropriate. While there was a pornography incident, unless a whole NPOV section is going to be done on the public's differing views of St. Xavier, this really does not fit into the entry for the high school. The rest of what was written is pure slander. I reverted to the last edit by MXN. Candybars 18:10, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

There was also more point of view, un-noteworthy, and unprofessional content added since I last visited this article. I've tweaked some parts and removed others. I'm using the teacher's first names as they appear at the school's faculty listing. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 06:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Also, to future editors, please note that it is possible to write professional, balanced information about school scandals; just take a look at the article of another Catholic, all-male high school in Cincinnati: Elder. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 06:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] State championships

24.12.186.225 removed the line "St. Xavier has won a state championship in every sport in which it fields a team, except for bowling." Out of curiosity, in which sports besides bowling has St. X not won a state championship? – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 05:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Of the 11 Team Championship sports the OHSAA sponsors, St. Xavier has never won a title in Track and Field, Wrestling, Hockey (X added Varsity in 2004), and Bowling (new in Ohio in 2007). With a title in 7 of 11 sports, X is 2nd in Ohio for largest variety of boys titles. St. Ignatius has 9 of 11 (missing Swimming(they have two runner-ups) and Bowling. EagleFan 00:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay... so apparently St. X now has a total of 39 state titles, but we're missing one in the list. Which is it? – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 02:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

St. Xavier only has 37 OHSAA team titles. The OHSAA has no Tennis team state championship so i removed that from the list. Xavier is first all time in Boys titles, second all time in total team titles, 1 behind Upper Arlington's 38 titles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EagleFan (talk • contribs) 05:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

According to the school's website, though, they have 39. I've changed it back to 39 for now, since I'd imagine the school would know how many they've won... Do you happen to know of a website that lists school sports titles, so we can cite that instead of the school's website? – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 09:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

My data is from OHSAA state programs and is very accuarte. I wish the Xavier website would list the 39 so we can see what two titles they have that the OHSAA data does not have. I suspect they are counting two non-OHSAA state titles of some sort, such as Lacrosse, Rugby, Boys Volleyball, Crew, or Bowling. I've asked the OHSAA to publish all team titles on their website, which could be the official on-line citation we need. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EagleFan (talk • contribs) 11:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 06:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Came in second in basketball in 2000 also did not win in cross country —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.185.27.151 (talk • contribs) 23:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Can you prove it? The two sources that I just added to the article indicate that St. X did win the championships that year. Also, you subtracted from the total incorrectly. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 04:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

St. Xavier beat Bedford in the 2000 state championship game 63-54. [1] They also won their 3rd Cross Country title in 2003 [2], [3], [4] EagleFan 14:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Okey-dokey, St. X finally published the full list of championship titles: [5] Enjoy. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 08:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elite

I previously removed the word "elite" from the first paragraph, but 64.93.132.26 put it back in. Bergerng originally added the word. I'd agree with the characterization as "elite", but Wikipedia has a Neutral point of view policy, so I'm not sure it fits in here. If someone can elaborate on St. X's perceived arrogance in a separate section, "elite" would fit there. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 08:26, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FIPS55

FIPS55 code for St. Xavier is completely unnecessary. Mxn, I'm puzzled by why'd you want it in there in the first place. Do you have some reason apart from a particular whim? Killua 18:12, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

No, basically just a whim. I would've appreciated it if you'd offered an explanation the first time, but sorry about that. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 05:50, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notable alumni

The notable alumni list looks well researched, but some of the listees don't meet wikipedia's guidelines for Wikipedia:Notability (people). I have added the link to the school's name for a few of them but articles should be created for the ones with red links.Mfields1 00:13, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article assessment

I've rated this article "Class B" and "low importance", according to the rubrics at Wikipedia:WikiProject Education/Assessment and Wikipedia:What is a good article?. In particular, the article does a good job of:

Providing prose instead of plain lists, according to the policy on lists.
Linking to relevant articles in the text, but also explaining jargon (e.g., AMDG) where necessary.
Staying away from trivia and avoiding an overly positive or negative point of view.
Except for the occasional bout of vandalism, the article is very stable.

But the article needs some work on:

Citing significant information with appropriate references; some sections are well-sourced, but others – namely, "Athletics" – need a bit of work.
The "Academics" section – it's a school we're talking about, after all. The admissions and curriculum information is useful, but it would help to have more detailed information about student life at St. X.
The school made national headlines a couple times in the past few years regarding hazing and pornography scandals. These should at least be mentioned, but we should be careful not to place undue emphasis on them, as the scandals were mostly confined to one class and weren't representative of the school as a whole.
Images! St. X has a photography class, so there must be a photographer somewhere. Someone needs to go out there and snap a photo of the school! (I'm in California, so I can't do it myself.)

I've given this article a "low importance" rating because it's an individual school that doesn't have a big impact on education as a whole. (This evaluation pertains to WikiProject Education; a "WikiProject Cincinnati" or even WikiProject Ohio might find this article more important.)

– Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 00:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Other Clubs: You missed out the Radio Club which has been in operation for decades. W8GYH is the club call sign. Perhaps a current member can provide some recent information and some history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imflyboy (talk • contribs) 7:33, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the info; I couldn't remember their call sign. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 20:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Enrollment graph

The enrollment graph looks odd because the bars are not evenly spaced. This would look better as a simple table of year and population because there are only 6-7 bars to the graphs. If this was ordered by regularly spaced years it might be more useful. If I knew how to edit the data into a table I would do it but II don't know how. In my opinion the graph adds nothing to the article but instead detracts visually. Mfields1 00:02, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I was hoping to eventually find some more data points, but that doesn't look like it's happening anytime soon. I'll convert it to an ordinary table, since as it is, the table doesn't show any significant trends except going up. The EasyTimeline syntax is documented here, in case you find an article where a chart makes more sense. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 02:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable alumni criteria

Because this article (like any high school article) often gets non-notable additions to the "Notable alumni" list, I've written out some criteria for inclusion in the list. It's available in a large comment at the beginning of that section, so hopefully people don't miss it. Feel free to make any reasonable changes or comment on it below; I definitely don't mean for this to be a hard-fast rule, just something to guide new editors, as a supplement to Wikipedia:Notability. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 21:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

We are trying to compile a list of the most notable St. Xavier alumni. As a rule of thumb, we include the person:

if Wikipedia has an article about the person;

if another article at Wikipedia links to a possibly non-existent article about the person; or,

regardless, if the person is notable enough for his own article at Wikipedia. Please see Wikipedia:Notability (people).

Please provide a source or sources that:

establish that the person is notable enough that he should have his own article; and

indicate that the person attended St. Xavier (but not the one in Louisville).

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