Talk:St. Stephen's Cathedral, Vienna

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[edit] Ducal Crypt

I intend to move this section to its own sub-article, but am leaving it here for the time being because I believe the list of inhabitants is incomplete and leaving the list on this more prominent page may attract other edits that will make the listing more complete. --StanZegel (talk) 16:00, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

I have started Ducal Crypt (Vienna). I have received a complete list of the contents of this crypt, courtesy of Mr. Reinhard Gruber, Archivist of the Stephansdom, and will be putting the complete inventory in the subarticle, and leaving the sarcophagi in the summary in this main article. --StanZegel (talk) 03:47, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I have now activated this subject as a the subarticle, and reduced the matter on the main page to a brief summary. The list of sarcophagi was too long for such a summary, so I did not leave it on the main page, but it works better as part of the subarticle because of the numbering, amoung other things. --StanZegel (talk) 00:28, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the proposal was Moved: Cathedral of Saint Stephan → Stephansdom. violet/riga (t) 09:39, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The commonest name for this church seems to be the German name, Stephansdom. That's the name listed in all the English language guidebooks that I've seen. It can't currently be moved due to the existence of a redirect page. -- Necrothesp 17:46, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Hungarian town of Pócs (pronounced Pötsch)

Hungarian is overwhelmingly phonetic. "Pócs" is pronounced "poach" (for anglophone) or "pootsch" (for german speakers).

The word a german speaker would pronounce based on "Pötsch" is the Hungarian "pöcs" which coincidentally is a slang word that means "balls" (yes, it is vulgar). Of course, if the article is trying to say that the germans call the Hungarian town of Pócs "Pötsch", obviously that is rather different.

--70.49.161.153 19:37, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Maria Pócs (Maria Pötsch) Icon:
It says in the aricle that : Emperor Leopold I, king of Hungary, ordered it brought to the Stephansdom, where it would safe from the French-supported Muslim armies that still controlled much of Hungary.. This is a bit positive interpretation of the action, according to A hungarian view it was more in the emperors own interest. Of course, the truth can have been like in the article but I think a more neutral statement would be in its place./Johan Jönsson 16:46, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

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The result of the proposal was Move to St. Stephen's Cathedral, Vienna Duja 11:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Stephansdom → Saint Stephen's Cathedral – per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). Major European cathedrals are typically titled with their English names. See Category:Roman Catholic cathedrals in Europe for other examples and also cf. Saint Stephen's Basilica and St. Stephen's Church (Katowice). If it matters, both the official Vienna tourism site [1] and the Vienna municipal site [2] use the English form. (The cathedral site is only in German.) -  AjaxSmack  23:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

  • Oppose - This has been discussed before; see above. Not only is the cathedral most often referred to as the Stephansdom, but the alternative would need disambiguation, a problem that is avoided entirely with the current title. --Stemonitis 08:25, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, as it is used more commonly in English publications. Article can be moved to St Stephen's Cathedral, Vienna, for disambiguation. Olessi 14:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Neutral. It really doesn't matter one way or the other. —Angr 15:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Neutral Personally, I'd prefer "Stephansdom", but being a native speaker of German, that's what I'm used to. Since the Austrian foreign ministry has no qualms calling it "St. Stephen's Cathedral" cf [3], it's hard to really solidly argue against it other than by the problem of the disambiguation. --OliverH 01:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Support per Olessi. In fact, I would move it to St Stephen's Cathedral, Vienna now. I find it difficult to believe that this is the only Cathedral of St. Stephen in the German-speaking world, and the German wikipedia does disambiguate it. If so, the lack of disambiguation is only a temporary advantage, until we write a competing article. Septentrionalis 20:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Support as nominator. Vienna is not currently needed in the title however as the only other St. Stephen's with a Wikipedia article, St Stephen's Cathedral, Brisbane, is of arguably far less renown and is already disambiguated. —  AjaxSmack  00:51, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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Regarding the statement that it is most commonly referred to as Stephansdom, I ran some Google Books searches.

These searches indicate to me that the cathedral is usually translated into English, and "St. Stephen's Cathedral" is the most common translation. Olessi 14:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Fixtures

In the 3rd item (pulpit) under fixtures, it states: "The 18th century Baroque statue shows St. Francis under an extravagant sunburst, trampling on a beaten Turk. This was the original cathedral's main pulpit inside until it was replaced by Pilgram's pulpit in 1515."

I am not sure how an 18th century statue was replaced in 1515. Check this out. Also, the St. Francis link leads to a disambiguation page. Please change it to which St. Francis you are referring to (likely Francis of Assisi). Rawgreenbean 22:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

The 16th century pulpit was refurbished in the 18th by adding a statue to it. To be confirmed. Alberto Fernandez Fernandez 16:47, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Infobox

I added infobox and reference books using Citation templates. I had to reorganize the page to fit the infobox. Alberto Fernandez Fernandez 16:47, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyedit

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  • I have begun copyediting this article. If you have comments, requests, or don't like what I've done, be sure to leave a message here or on my talk page. However, please make sure that the article is not auto-translated from the German (if you find parts that are, please fix them beforehand) and that the layout follows the MOS. Right now, it seems to contain a lot of small, disjointed sections that don't flow well. Thanks. --Malachirality (talk) 01:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Some questions (need answers from a major contributor!):
  • In "history," what is the meaning of the line "Margrave Leopold IV also received from the Bishop extended stretches of land beyond the city walls, with the notable exception of the territory allocated for the new parish church which would eventually become St. Stephen's Cathedral.
does this mean he did or didn't receive that territory? If he didn't receive the territory, why is it important that this fact is mentioned? Aren't we more interested in what he did receive?
Austrian nobles struggle for more than 300 years to get their own bishopric and to become independent from the bishops of Passau (Germany). At the time, St Stephen started it was a mere parish church depending from Passau. By keeping the ownership of the ground on which St Stephen was to be built, Passau also wanted to keep the control on the church itself. I hope a wikipedian will find the time to start an article about the treaty of Mautern. --Alberto Fernandez Fernandez (talk) 09:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
  • need a source for the graves found in the cathedral excavation
Besides tourist guides, still trying to find a good source...--Alberto Fernandez Fernandez (talk) 09:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Both Conrad and Otto, accompanied by German Nobles, participated to the third crusade. --Alberto Fernandez Fernandez (talk) 09:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
--Malachirality (talk) 19:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)