Talk:St. John Ambulance

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Hi any one want to talk to aussie sja member

Contents 1 International 2 Potential split 3 What do they do? 4 A Dot ? ... or Not ?

[edit] International

Lots of work needed to include information on all the varrious international areas, etc. I put a link to a page on ranks and insignia. Glenlarson 05:37, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

This is a common problem with an article which can mean different things to different people. When I first wrote the article for wikipedia, it was to replace a stub which said very little. Since then, the article has grown a lot, and different people have put their own spins on it. The danger is that it will grow too broad, and end up saying a little about everything rather than being concise. Already people have started putting links to randon division homepages which serve little to benefit the article as a whole. Generally people searching for information on St. John Ambulance will be those who have had contact through meeting members in various guises. IMHO the various quirks of the Orders and priories around the world will be of less importance. With the wikipedia article we need to make sure it doesn't get too bogged down in details that are uniquely specific to a particular priory, group or unit. petemorris.

As I understand things, the discussion page is important to articles, to ensure information is in agreement with varrious contributors. Other than the note from the aussie member, mine was the first on the discussion or talk page.

St John is international in its nature, and the article needs to be edited to reflect this, including the use of the term brigade, which seams to be used in many other countries. Many articles are written from the perspective of a major country, but over time, hopefully this will be corrected through more international editing.

Currently, I am simply adding content, thus the page and link to rank insignia.

There is still a strong paramilitary affiliation in the international St John Ambulance.

Further editing is needed as the article is currently specific to a particular priory.Glenlarson 06:18, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

I've re-structured the article somewhat to prepare it for a more international feel. Unfortunately this means that most priories other than England are now pretty lacking, but I don't see any other way of allowing for such a variety of international differences.

Hopefully people from each respective priory will start filling out their sections.

[edit] Potential split

The article has now grown to a level where it is potentially too long to be a single article anymore. The obvious solution for this would be to split it into priories/countries, so leave sections 1,2, 11-13 in place, and remove 3-10 into seperate articles linked to from this main article.

If anyone has any objections or thoughts on this then discuss it here.

No one has yet objected to this comment, and so I will assume that people agree it would be good to split the single article into more specific articles for each country. If anyone does have any major objections, please say so now. 2006-08-11

I've now split the article as suggested. This should allow different countries to develop their own articles specific to each country, as the number of quirk differences was getting too big. Please only add to this article material which is internation in nature. petemorris 2006-08-29

[edit] What do they do?

There is nothing in the article saying what this group does, exept for "teaching and practice of medical first aid". From the picture, I guess they run ambulances, but I'm not sure. --Apoc2400 07:10, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

There's far too much about the Order of St John, which the article admits has very little to do with St John Ambulance - the article really needs splitting, or the historical stuff toning down. I'll take a look at it later - what the organisation does in the UK is provide first-aiders (including ambulances) at public events, and train first-aiders. --ajn (talk) 07:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

We should split up all the stuff about the order and put it into that article. SJA from a worldwide sense is mostly about First Aid; teaching courses is the one common element everywhere; the brigade is the other. everything else is limited to only specific countries, so we must be careful to mention that. We should keep this article short and limit it to the worldwide commonalities; everything else should be on the country-specific pages. Joezasada 05:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

At least in the UK St John Ambulance does just that, first aid training, first aid at public events, and providing patient transport / emergency transport (Acting as an emergency ambulance in incidents where there are not enough NHS ambulances available) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.159.51.45 (talk) 20:57, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A Dot ? ... or Not ?

We need to come to an understanding, something we can all agree to live with. There is continuous addition/removal of a simple little dot that is becoming a distraction to actual editing.

As I see it, we have several options:

1. St. with a dot, like the Article title
2. St without a dot, like British corporate image
3. St. and a preamble explaining the naming situation
4. St and a preamble explaining the naming situation

What is your opinion and reasoning? Exit2DOS2000^•T•C• 12:57, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I was formerly in favour of retaining the dot in this article, as this was how the Order of St John's website, which as far as I'm aware is the nearest thing to a central SJA website, rendered the name (example here). The Order's website seems to have recently been revamped and now uses the dotless version throughout - for example, see here - as well as the dotless logo now shown in the infobox, which is now used by several national associations. (Note that the Order's website and its corporate branding are distinct from those of SJA England.) However, doing a quick survey of the 16 national websites listed on the latter page, seven use the dot and nine don't. Given this lack of unanimity I think that deferring to the Order's usage is probably the most neutral compromise for the article title, but we should certainly mention that many national associations use the dot. --Kwekubo (talk) 13:45, 31 May 2008 (UTC)