Talk:Stóːlō
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[edit] Content issues
There are emerging guidelines within the Indigenous peoples WikiProject that I have begun to apply across the board for BC First Nations. The main one is that there are different types of articles, even when their content and location/people may seem to overlap (I'll sign each section/paragraph so comments on specific points can be made easily: Skookum1 05:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Ethno & Culture" articles
Not as loose as it sounds, despite having to describe it like this: "ethno/history/culture/peoples"
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- which this article, as titled, would fit into. These articles get Category:First Nations in British Columbia, with "First Nation" here meant in an ethnic sense, not in a governmental-org one. Ideally these will always be simply named, without "Nation" appended, as with Secwepemc and Nuu-chah-nulth - or Stó:lō (variable forms like Nuu-chah-nulth-aht can be redirects, although that term can include the Pacheedaht which normally wouldn't want to be called Nuu-chah-nulth).Skookum1 05:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Government articles
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- bands/First Nations, tribal councils, treaty groups) which have government-related content, ranging from chiefs and councillors, affiliations, treaty issues, modern demographics, economic and social issues, and so on These articles get Category:First Nations governments in British Columbia. In the case of the Stó:lō the main government article is going to be (created in a few minutes...): Stó:lō Nation, and will list all its subgovernments; "Indian Band" and "First Nation", sometimes just "Nation" are all interchangeable, although some bands seem to have a preference (at different times, given by variable content on various website sources); whatever is picked. Non-Indian Act-based governments can be and should described under different titles, either in the ethno type or in the history type (see below)Skookum1 05:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] language articles
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- 'nuff said, but can be titled either in native language (St'at'imcets) or in the form Shuswap language; Wiki guidelines, it should be stressed, prefer the latter (use English, which is the language of the encyclopedia...). Some ethno and gov articles will have more than one language listed in their cats; some languages span more than one gov group, or in the case of the Sto:lo and Chehalis, two different ones. Cats for this are specialized in the linguistics hierarchy (examples later), but they should generally all take the relevant nation-category if there is one Category:Secwepemc, Category:Stó:lō, Category:Syilx etc.Skookum1 05:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Community/Reserve articles
Communities, reserves/IRs, towns that have significant native presence also; there is a difference, note, between the physical object of a reserve, and the band government that runs it; the descrption of the reserve is here, that of the government; even though this will not just overlap with the government articles but also the ethno/peoples ones; just interlink everything and it will sort of make sense; it's just a question of what was being searched for; the Scw'exmx and Spaxomin bands are all listed under Nicola Tribal Association, for instance; but the latter article is about the association, not about the communities; similarly, Shackan and Nooaitch are communities as well as reserves, but articles about them should focus on the community's particular history, not on overall Scw'exmx culture. In the case of the Sto:lo, there is another issue of "where to fit the Chehalis" as they are in the same cultural/language area, but they are not Sto:lo by organization or by their own appellation. Or the Tsleil-wau-tuth who are culturally Skxwxu7mesh but are part of the Sto:lo Nation (or were, last time I looked); so there's some confusing bits here and there.Skookum1 05:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Mythology" articles
User:OldManRivers has pointed out the "mythology" articles and the cats that go with them; awkward wording/titling but in the absence of anything more workable, that's all there is for now. Discussion of this more later after I look around and see what there is.Skookum1 05:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] History/Biography articles
there is another sort-of category for specific history articles, e.g. Chilcotin War, Fraser Canyon War and various bio articles (Simon Gunanoot, Slumach, Klattasine etc.) where Category:First Nations history would be appropriate as well as either Category:First Nations leaders or Category:First Nations people; there's also different cats like Category:Conflicts in Canada which may apply, or Category:Wars involving the indigenous peoples of North America , which was specifically titled to allow inter-native wars as well as wars between native peoples and non-natives; and without the "Native American" wording that that category at one time had (changed thanks, in part, to insistence on finding a more suitable term stirred up by yours truly....). I haven't looked but I suspect there's probably a special legal case/law category for things like Delgamuukw v. Regina (note: Delgamuukw by itself, currently a redirect to the court case, should technically be about that particular chiefly lineage of the Gitxsan and its territory. Note:Category:First Nations is "top level" and is not ordinarly included with anything that's a subcategory of it, or a subcategory of one of its subcategories, which is any other category (usually) beginning with "First Nations" in its name.Skookum1 05:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Additions
I'm adding a bunch of stuff from Carlson's book. I don't know much about the subject, so a lot of this could be outdated garbage, but I figured it would be more likely for people to fix something bad than for them to write original prose themselves. Hopefully this will inspire people to add, expand and correct errors. - TheMightyQuill 10:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] T'xwelatse
No time to add this, and there's more news copy on it out there: I remember something in either the Sun or teh Straight, but posting this link here for later ref on T'xwelatse, the ancient ancestor-statue that was recently repatriated to Chilliwack from wherever in the US it had wound up.Skookum1 06:11, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Who are Stó:lō?
This is a recurrent problem as not all Halkomelem-"speaking" of either Upriver or Downriver dialects (Halqemeylem and Hunquminum) consider themselves Stó:lō, which is derived from the name of the Stó:lō Nation Tribal Council; mostly this is the Sts'Ailes but also, so far as I am aware, the Yale, Katzie, Kwantlen and other bands. "Fraser River Salish" was one proposed term, but I'm increasingly uncomfortable with the suitability of "Salish" is its origin is from the Flathead language; its nearest equivalent in a local language is the -mish ending on Skwxwu7mesh or Skokomish, meaning "people". Stó:lō is just the name of the Fraser River, not of an ethnicity (though, as noted, it's becoming standard for that); in Halqemeylem it's gonna be more like Stó:lō'mes - which might be acceptable as it simply means "people(s) of the Fraser River"...perhaps one reason the Chehalis/Sts'Ailes don't use it is they're not on the Fraser River...?? Anyway, anyone editing this page should bear in mind that its component communities constitute a larger group than those of the Stó:lō Nation, who are "Stó:lō proper".Skookum1 06:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Undiscussed page move...
I'm not sure why the page was moved here, but if it's going to stay, we need to fix a lot of double-redirects, not to mention usage within the article itself. - TheMightyQuill 01:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
