Talk:SS Andrea Doria/Archive

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With more information on the ship itself and some proof-reading, I think this article is a good candidate for "Featured Article" status. Any thoughts? Pentawing 06:04, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

This is one I started, and I'd enjoy seeing it developed further. Vaoverland 06:41, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

Images

The image has a questionable copyright issue. Could someone please confirm if it is indeed fair use and change the tag accordingly? Pentawing 01:25, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I found the source of the wreck image and it definitely has a copyright. However, I cannot find the exact source of the wreath image. If someone knows its source, please note it in the image description. Pentawing 23:36, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
Found the source of the wreath image and noted the reason for fair use. Pentawing 00:57, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Copy edit in support of FAC

I came across this as an FAC and did some extensive copy editing. I hope that my revisions are seen as improvements. One thing that I did that may be controversial was to eliminate the use of "the" when referring to the ships by name. The article was inconsistent in that style (likely the result of public editing), and it looked better with it out. And I think that is in the wiki manual of style, but I am not sure --I'm being bold here on the night shift.

I have some comments about how the article might be improved upon:

  1. Is “gained” the right verb for acquiring a list? Or is it developed?
  2. When was it discovered that the ship listed severely when it was hit by significant forces? During trials? Operational voyages?
  3. Was the tendency to list “caused” by empty fuel tanks or exacerbated by them?
  4. Who decided to build Andrea Doria? The Italian government?
  5. Was Cristoforo Columbo ever built?
  6. Did it start as “Yard” or “Hull” ?
  7. How can we demonstrate its popularity during its 3 years of service?
  8. Do we not know how many people died?
  9. Is there a link to the Pulitzer-Prize-winning aerial photography?

Also, my copy editing ended at the end of the History section. I may have a chance to come back to it on my next shift. --Mddake 05:47, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for copy editing. Here are the answers to your questions:
  1. The proper term I believe is "developed a list".
  2. From what I read, it was first discovered during the maiden voyage, though it was predicted during model testing. I placed a footnote pointing to where I found the information.
  3. I am not sure about this, since the source says the fact that the tanks were empty partly explained the listing. Maybe exacerbated by the empty tanks.
  4. There is no mention that the Italian government explicitly decided to build Andrea Doria. I'll look this up.
  5. Cristoforo Columbo was built. In fact, if Andrea Doria didn't sink Captain Calamai was supposed to take command of that ship after Andrea Doria's return voyage to Genoa.
  6. The hull started as "Yard".
  7. Again, I only read that the ship was always filled to capacity (article used was Andrea Doria at greatoceanliners.net).
  8. There are firm statistics. I will fix that.
  9. Not sure about that. Even so, I can't get a copy that is of GDNL license.
Hope these answer your questions. If not, please let me know. Pentawing 06:40, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
Here's what I have found:
  1. Though there is no explicit mention that the Italian government decided to build Andrea Doria, the Italian Line did commission its construction.
  2. The Pulitzer-Prize-winning aerial photography can be found at www.pbs.org/lostliners/andrea.html. Pentawing 23:45, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
"One thing that I did that may be controversial was to eliminate the use of "the" when referring to the ships by name. The article was inconsistent in that style (likely the result of public editing), and it looked better with it out."
It can go either way, and I go with what sounds better in that particular sentence. I noticed saying the Stockholm sounded better over Stockholm which sounded awkward usually. MechBrowman 20:52, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. It looks good. I made two small changes to your edits. Once a "the" got left behind, and I have never heard of a ship turning "towards the starboard" as opposed to "to starboard." Using "the" or not in referring to the ship by name is a real "writer's ear" thing, but I like your version better. --Mddake 23:43, 3 August 2005 (UTC)