Talk:Square knot insignia
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[edit] Name
Propose rename to "square knot emblems". I don't think we need to disambiguate this any further- to my knowledge, the BSA is the only association to use these. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:38, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- OK with me.Rlevse 15:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- Note the images are not showing up on the article page.Rlevse 15:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- Those images don't exist. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:32, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- They do now, I created images for all of the official BSA knots, and have added them to the bottom of the page as well as a brief overview of how they are properly worn. Feel free to juggle or categorize as you see fit. If I missed any knots, let me know and I will make sure to look it up and design it. RobHoitt 19:30, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
- Those images don't exist. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:32, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- Note the images are not showing up on the article page.Rlevse 15:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- support rename and rewrite as inclusive of many other World Scout associations, Japan and Mongolia and let me dig through my stack of them... Chris 02:14, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- You are saying that these orgs use the square knot emblems as well? --Gadget850 ( Ed) 02:50, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- I am. B-P intended the symbolism for all, evinced by the World Crest. It's not uncommon to see other orgs with square knot "fruit salad", though less frequent than, say, a troop in Utah. Chris 03:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- Before 1973 Scouting in the Netherlands had figure of 8 knot insignia see Piet Kroonenbergs Padvinderskroniek: Scouting in Amsterdam-Noord page 5 --Egel Reaction? 14:21, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- Up in the Lawrence L. Lee Scouting Museum we have complete uniform sets for several countries, I have seen knots on a couple, although most are figure 8 knots, not square knots. I know the signifigance is that the square knot is a "joining knot." This is mentioned in the Webelos and Boy Scout Handbooks. What I do not know at this point is if the knots in other countries are used for the same reasons as in the United States. We have a curator who is currently working part-time, I will have to see if he can help me research this. RobHoitt 13:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
- support rename I think the article could be best served by indicating it is of the Square Knot Insignia of the Boy Scouts of America or Square Knots (BSA) —Preceding unsigned comment added by RobHoitt (talk • contribs) 01:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
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- D'oh! My bad. RobHoitt 21:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Images
A problem here is that we now have two different representations of the same images. We have knot images here and different knot images at Advancement and recognition in the Boy Scouts of America. We are also starting to fork the Advancement article (as I had anticipated) into articles like Silver Buffalo Award. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
- Also, the formatting for the emblems needs to be left-justified or gallery-style, rather than centered. Chris 08:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
- Feel free to format the page as you see fit... What I was looking to do was create a consistent set of graphics that could be used in a variety of ways. One benefit I was looking for was having the graphics a uniform size and quality. (I am working on an article right now about a distinguished Scouter who had an impressive display of these, so I thought it would be nice to show his knot-rack in an illustration. Photocaps would make this very awkward and difficult, so the graphic route seemed the logical direction.) The added perk is I made these as public-domain, so if you wanted to display your own knots, or use them for something else, you are welcome to do so. RobHoitt 13:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
- I agree with that. Rob's images are different enough that they can be used in user pages and the like. My opinion is to keep the official images in articles. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
- Feel free to format the page as you see fit... What I was looking to do was create a consistent set of graphics that could be used in a variety of ways. One benefit I was looking for was having the graphics a uniform size and quality. (I am working on an article right now about a distinguished Scouter who had an impressive display of these, so I thought it would be nice to show his knot-rack in an illustration. Photocaps would make this very awkward and difficult, so the graphic route seemed the logical direction.) The added perk is I made these as public-domain, so if you wanted to display your own knots, or use them for something else, you are welcome to do so. RobHoitt 13:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Scope and direction
Before we get to far into this, we need to determine the scope of the article. Currently, I see it as two sections:
- History of BSA square knot insignia
- Gallery of square knot insignia
I did update Uniform and insignia of the Boy Scouts of America with a section on Square knots that was needed in that article, and can be used elsewhere.
I'm thinking that these should be two articles— "History of square knot insignia" and "Square knot insignia." We do not need to disambiguate further unless someone *really* believes that there are other organizations where we would write the same articles.
The history section does need a re-write, mainly for tone. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- Makes sense to me, altough I would call the latter "Gallery of BSA square knot insignia." RobHoitt 18:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
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