User talk:Spyrides

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[edit] Image Tagging

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[edit] Page Blanking

On 25-Jan, you blanked John Dick (II). Blanking pages is generally considered a bad idea. I've reverted it to the previous version. If this was the result of a broken edit, you may wish to make the correct edits. If you believe the page should be deleted, please follow the deletion procedures. Thanks! -- JLaTondre 14:40, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Also applies to John Dick (1950s footballer). A redirect from a page move should normally be left in place. In certain cases, it might make sense to delete, but redirects are cheap. -- JLaTondre 15:05, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
I see you decided to ask for deletion. Unfortunetly, they should have been listed at Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion instead of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. It's easy to make that mistake as WP:DEL isn't the clearest. Most times admins will close out a redirect listed at AfD, but other times they'll let it go through. -- JLaTondre 02:13, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I moved both of them to WP:RFD for you. You may find them and vote there. Chick Bowen 02:03, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] West Ham

Re: Squad list. Information such as date signed and previous club is available on the players page, the official squad list looks neater and also reduces the page size.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Football_squad_player And it took me a good 20 minutes to convert the squad! Elzar 19:13, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Robert Stevenson (footballer)

The book I have (Arsenal Who's Who, ISBN 1899429034) gives short bios of every player for Arsenal and Woolwich Arsenal; it says he only played the first seven League matches of the season and was then dropped, and doesn't mention anything about the captaincy - and it usually does say if a player was captain of the club. In addition, around that time Joe Powell played for Arsenal, and he was captain during 1893-94, and remained a regular in the side until his untimely death in 1896. In addition, this list of Arsenal captains [1] (mistakenly labelled Chelsea, but all the players on there are from Arsenal) doesn't include Stevenson (but does include Powell). It's possible Stevenson was captain, but he was only at Arsenal for a short time and neither of the two sources I use say that he was, which is why I have my doubts.

Possible solution - say he was captain according to Dickford & Gibson, but provide a footnote saying no mention of this is made in Harris & Hogg. What do you reckon? Qwghlm 15:34, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Haha. To be fair, a lot of football history from pre-1900 is pretty murky, so I'm not surprised if there are conflicting sources. Anyway, I've added the footnote in now. Qwghlm 16:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thames Ironworks v. Woolwich Arsenal

I'm afraid I drew a bit of a blank: I had a check of my archives - my list of results has no record of Arsenal playing Thames Ironworks in 1896 - according to that we didn't play them until a friendly on April 26, 1898 (which ended 2-2). According to the fixture list I have, Woolwich Arsenal played Casuals on March 2, 1896 (winning 4-1) and Tottenham Hotspur on March 16, 1896 (losing 1-3 :-( ). So if the match did happen then it's slightly more likely it was played on the earlier date - even then, it was rare for a team to play twice in one day!

The only 5-3 friendly scorelines that happened to Arsenal that decade were against Chatham on April 2, 1892 and Stoke City on September 4, 1899. My list of results is by no means complete and it's entirely possible Arsenal did play that match but it was an unofficial fixture (especially as it was floodlit), or just didn't get recorded. Sorry I couldn't be of more help - I'll bear it in mind the next time I go through my old books, though. Qwghlm 20:47, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Western League

Hi mate, this was pretty much all I could find on the Western League (copied from my reply to Lion King). Have you found anything?

I can't find anything too official that mentions it. There is this page that records it:

1906-07 Western League Division 1B Champions. Overall Champions after beating Division 1A Champions Fulham 1-0 at Chelsea (15 April 1907)

I'm pretty sure that'll have been the reserve team. Our progression into the Football League started through the Southern League Second Division, which we joined in 1899. We moved to the Southern League First Division the following year but stayed there for yonks. We came fifth in the Southern League First Division in 1907. That page doesn't mention this, but the reserves page does. I think they have that the wrong way round. There is also a page for West Ham United "A" just to confuse matters. This page of spud results shows that the Western League ran concurrently with the Southern League, with some matches being played a couple of days apart. The Wikipedia page states that:

In the years before the Second World War, many teams played in both the Southern and Western Leagues; the Western League was considered as subservient to the Southern League.

The list of champions does show a number of other clubs that fielded reserve teams in the league.
- N (talk) 23:07, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted articles

Latish last night I came across a series of one-line articles on old and apparently short-lived football teams, one of which didn't mention the title in the article ("Vampires FC"), and which were all created with a jokey (though obscure) and uninformative edit summary. My thought was that, first, they were a hoax, and secondly, they were in any case very, very short articles that made no claim to the significance of their subjects (which, in fact, seemed more to assert their insignificance).

When I came to the fourth, I began to wonder if they weren't in fact serious, and held off until I'd had a chance to investigate further. If genuine, I still believe that they belong in one article (perhaps a list?), unless they really are individually significant and can be expanded with genuine information (which seems unlikely, from what I saw). At the moment, though, they're little more than entries in a trainspotter's football-team spotter's notebook.

What I should have done was check on their creator, and see whether he or she was likely to be a hoaxer or not — but if you've ever patrolled the New pages section, you'll know that of every fifty entries up to a half can be either straightforward vandalism, blatant copyvios, unformatted but possibly useful articles, etc., all needing attention, and that makes it hard to do a thorough check on all of them. Sorry for not doing it, though. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:02, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unused categories

Hi. It seems you made several positional categories, and decided to abandon them:

  1. Category:West Ham United F.C. centre halfs
  2. Category:West Ham United F.C. left backs
  3. Category:West Ham United F.C. left halfs
  4. Category:West Ham United F.C. right backs
  5. Category:West Ham United F.C. right halfs

Should they be deleted, per the WP:CFD conventions? Regards. Neier 07:55, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your user boxes

Using copyrighted images in user boxes is not part of the fair use claim. You should remove them. ed g2s • talk 21:58, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quick thanks

Erm, apologies if I'm not meant to write this here but I just wanted to thank you for expanding George Hilsdon's entry. He's my great great grandad you see. I started the article a long time ago and was shocked to see it had now become a fully fledged piece of prose. Many thanks!

Ashley Hilsdon

[edit] Jimmy Collins

Hi mate, could you double-check your appearance stats for Jimmy Collins please. The Book says 336 in all comps (311 league, 25 cup) and has a breakdown by season. The appearance records page has him down as 326.. Ta. Nzd (talk) 15:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi mate, another discrepancy (just a little one). Stan Foxall is listed as scoring 62 war-time goals, whereas the book says 63 ("in 156 league and cup matches"). Also, could you add your ref to the John Dick article (and remove the tag) please. Cheers. Nzd (talk) 14:03, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Oh yeah, and the other, er, discrepancy is George Furnell, who is listed as David Furnell in the Who's Who book. I expect both are right, with one or other as a middle name that he was more often known as. I've added a note for now.. - Nzd (talk) 23:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Just noticed that ref tag on the West Ham United F.C. 1988-1989 page. Could you add refs for those season pages when you get a chance please. There aren't any listed from 1922-1923 on. Also, I'm thinking of standardising the names of the season pages; any objection to me moving them to West Ham United F.C. seasons for the main page, and West Ham United F.C. season 1922-23, etc. for the individual pages? Thanks mate. - Nzd (talk) 13:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
That was me ;) I'll try to standardise the format, to make them look a bit more like the others in Category:English football club seasons in time. - Nzd (talk) 16:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your edits to AC Omonia

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[edit] History of West Ham United F.C.

Hello there. I noticed you've been putting up an awful lot of information regarding West Ham during the early parts of the century and was wondering what your sources were (books, web, etc) as I attempt to flesh out the History of West Ham United F.C. from what I started last year and could use some such texts.--Koncorde 20:38, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Cheers for the links. Lalamy is superb, have used it myself a lot. Will give the other books a look up. Cheers.--Koncorde 23:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Hope you don't mind, lifted a few bits and pieces from your Castle Swifts article, and will probably be halfinching a bit more as I flesh out the early history with a little more about Thames Ironworks (I have cited your main articles and year by year analysis at the beginning and end of relevant sections). Would welcome your input anyways!--Koncorde 22:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Funnily enough I ordered that book the day before last! Kowinkydink.--Koncorde 19:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] West Ham United F.C. 2007-2008

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[edit] Manual of Style for club season articles

As you have often contribute to club season articles, I believe this and this are pretty much of your interest.--ClaudioMB 16:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)