Talk:Spyro the Dragon (series)

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I just got the page started with what I remember from the games. Expand the info on the games and include a list of characters.- B-101 12:47, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Reverted

I made a revert to this page, since the anon seemed to remove a lot of info and ruin the formatting. I encourage him to add to the article instead of course. —siroχo

Hi there. I hope I did an adaquate job adding more info to the article. I have no info on the GBA games (never played them before), and will eventually add info on the GC/PS2 game (I own the GC version). I hope I didn't make anyone feel bad by out-shining them. I'm a Spyro fanatic. I've beaten the games many times, gotten every little secret, and often dream about the games. Maybe it's just me. o_0 --SilverFyre (e-mail silverdragon706@yahoo.com)

Don't forget to inlcude a character list. I'll get one started- B-101 15:21, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I just semi-wikified the article, rephrased some sections substantially and removed some subjective comments. I think the entire writing is too focused on superfluous plot details, considering Spyro is after all a pretty popular and influencial series it deserves better coverage. I'm keeping it on watch but leaving it as is and on cleanup for now. --Phils 21:44, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Why?

Anyone know WHY Insomniac stopped developing the Spyro games? I was just wondering.

Well, back in the PS1 days, Crash Bandicoot, developed by Naughty Dog, and Spyro the Dragon, developed by Insomniac Games, were both of Universal's babies and the unofficial mascots of the Playstation. However, since both franchises were owned by publisher Universal (now Vivendi Universal after they merged with Vivendi), Universal could do anything they want with their mascots. So after the first 4 Crash games (the fourth was the cart racer Crash Team Racing), and the first 3 Spyro games, Universal cut off ties with the developers. (Naughty Dog developed all the PS1 Crash games with the exception of Crash Bash, and Insomniac developed all the PS1 Spyro games.) But it was all for the best, as the Naughty Dog got to make Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy and Insomniac got to make Ratchet & Clank. Both are now exclusive developers for Sony on the PS2. However, for the next generation, they will probably create new franchises: see Insomniac's I-8 <--- Whats with the dodgy title to Resistance Fall Of Man, it has beeen places there to recently to be places before the game came out Gaogier (talk) 00:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC) --->on the PS3. I hope this explanation is sufficient.
For more info on each developer's list of games, see Naughty Dog#Games and Insomniac Games#Games. -Hyad 02:54, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

My unconfirmed theory is Vivendi Universal wanted to go "multi-platform", but Naughty Dog and Insomniac both were subsiduaries[Potential spelling error there...] of the Sony Corporation and declined to participate. That or maybe their contract ended and they didn't bother renewing it... Or something like that. Bear in mind it's only a theory...

I know Insomniac stopped making Spyro games because Spyro was too simpler of a character User:Crasnex 23 December 2007

[edit] List of Eggs

Would a list of the eggs in Spyro Three be a welcome addition or an unwelcome annoyance? Would it be suitable as a separate article? I'm ready to add it if it would be desirable. Mikereichold 19:43, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

That kind of information might be more suitable for Wikibooks than Wikipedia. Stratadrake 05:20, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


That would be a good idea. I personaly wouldn't have a problem with that. --Sango4ever 22:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


what is a wikibook anyway, if anyone likes, they can make a page of The List of Eggs in spyro 3 then link it To The spyro 3 page User:Crasnex 23 December 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 06:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikispam?

The The Legend of Spyro: A New Beginning section needs to be made more encyclopedaic. A quote from the publisher's website is an easy start, but we need more info than just that -- including citations. Stratadrake 05:32, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Concerning "The Legend of Spyro: A New Beginning".

I have edited the article which I posted yesterday, and called the info. there a "sales pitch", that way people will know it won't be encyclopedic because no such proper info. exists at this time.


Also in the External Links section I added the offical webpage for the new game.


Hope that is all you needed me to fix!

~*Neal*~

[edit] Spyro Series article too long!

The Series page should still exist, but have summaries of each game's plot. Maybe each game should have it's own page, too. And each game page would have characters from that game, maybe more parts of the storyline added to its synopsis, etc... And the characters of the series, maybe we could keep that, but a little part of me is leaning toward "List of canonical characters from the Spyro Series" sorta thing.

I agree that the individual games should all have their own pages. After all, other game series have the games not redirecting, like Sonic. And now that we have the template of characters, games, and all that, maybe we could start to split the games off the main article and instead leave the wikilinks to each game. That way, we could go in-depth about the plot of each, and have a reference link to the realm it took place in for information of the sub-worlds of it.
As for a characters page, we might just be able to squeeze out that entire section and just leave the template, or something, while adding the sub-bosses to it. Do something like the other video game series articles, like Sonic. Tom Temprotran 19:18, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

PLEASE split into separate articles per game - ayyem - 21st Sept 06

Each game already has a separate article about it, and this page is designed to give and encyclopaedic overview of each game in the series, which is what it does. I vote we leave it as it is. Smomo 10:00, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
We used 2 have more pages. Dragon Realms was a large page. But for some reason they were redirected here where they are mentioned very little.
  • Stay The series article needs to stay the same. This article is capable of better explaining the ties the stories have than any one article about any one game could. So it needs to stay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gp75motorsports (talk • contribs) 02:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Combine character pages

I really don't think each character in the game needs their own pages. At the very least, they should be merged into one page for heroes and one for villians. Most of the pages have one or two sentences at most. --Awiseman 20:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd say we need to expand the pages instead of merge them all. The sub-bosses, of course, I think deserve to all be merged under their main villain master page, as subsections. But as for the main characters of the game, like Hunter, Elora, Ember, Flame, and especially Spyro himself, need to be kept separate and then expand. Personally, I've tried to set up the pags so that others could come by and help me by adding more information. I don't have all the time in the world to write just about Spyro characters. Tom Temprotran 19:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Maybe so, but I really don't think the minor characters deserve their own pages. Maybe do it like the Simpsons, where the main characters have their own, but the minor ones are on a "minor characters" pages. --Awiseman 19:32, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree with both of your suggestions. Major main characters would have their own pages, and maybe with subsections, like "Ripto's Rage" to show their personalities in each of the seperate games. You guys pretty much took the words out fo my mouth.

Say, do we have the right pictures? And appropriate ones? Ones with the actual polygon selves and then maybe a picture of them drawn? Do you guys think we should ahve a "Protagonists" and "Antagonists" page? Yes, I added those subsections to get everything more organized, but it seems it just made the article more listy... any thoughts?Abby724 00:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

If they're minor characters, I'd say just have one minor characters page divided into Protagonists and Antagonists. --Awiseman 15:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree. Most of Spyro's antagonists were nothing more than level bosses; no overall signficance to the game's plot, or the series as a whole. I've tagged a few of the articles with {{mergeto}} to help. --Stratadrake 06:13, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of features

Every so often my mind goes to features that were in the first Spyro that I liked that were removed in the later series. In the first you could have much the same experience of going through the level by the fact that the killed-again creatures gave up a silver gem in the same way that they gave up the original gem. Collecting this gems also provided an extra man feature. Thus you could earn extra men by doing things that were skill improving. It also occaisionally coughed up little 1-up statues, artwork missing in later games. The new games use a kill the dragonfly fodder and one up flies extra man method that I don't like as much. On the plus side later games used Spyro's head as the 1-up head for current lives. Also, the original game allowed Spyro to roll using L1 and R1 that made him more manuverable and made Spyro more lifelike.

I agree, they should have kept those features. ANd maybe, once we have seperate game pages, we might add that to the "Trivia" category. Abby724 22:44, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Someone is messing up the article...

Well, someone here is sort of "unwikifying" it, as in messing up the categories, page format, and also, someone has been putting their own grammatical errors and childish things in it. If anyone finds the person who keeps on doing this, someone give 'em a good old lecture, okay?Abby724 22:44, 31 May 2006 (UTC) They've been adding info about upcoming games without citations, and putting POVs on here.

[edit] Change content

Merge the characters and provide an overview of them here. Split the game titles to individual articles.

I.e. actually make this page about the series as a whole. I think even separate summaries for each title are unnecessary - they can be introduced inline into a summary of the series. After all, a clear list can also be provided in a series box (and if minor characters are merged, the current series box can be cleaned up).

zoney ♣ talk 10:25, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's the idea (at least in part) for this article's cleanup. Been doing some of that already. --Stratadrake 16:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Riptoc"?

Quick question. What exactly is a "Riptoc" and how verifiable/notable is the term? I've yet to see this term actually used in a Spyro game (though I haven't touched Spyro Orange or Shadow Legacy), and a quick Google test resulted in about 900 items (by comparison, Rhynoc = 9,000 and Gnorc = 15,000), the top results of which were based on Wikipedia.

Maybe I have a hyperactive fancruft sensor, but... I have to challenge it. Ripto didn't have any minions in Ripto's Rage! besides Crush and Gulp (all other enemies were level-specific), and he definitely used Rhynocs in Attack of the Rhynocs. (I don't recall the Enter the Dragonfly or Season of Flame enemies too well at the moment....)

Info? --Stratadrake 07:26, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Riptocs were the creatures used by Ripto in Enter the Dragonfly. An example of the name being used is for the first dragonfly entry in Thieves Den which is "Wizard Riptocs". Dark52 22:17, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Riptocs were a species of dinosaur cretures that served under Ripto, pretty much, they are his footsoldiers when he wasn't using the Rhynocs. The Riptocs only appeared in three games, Enter the Dragonfly and in the two Crash+Spyro games.Unknown Dragon 06:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season of Flame

I heard that the GBA game was called Spyro: Season of Fire. 67.188.172.165 19:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


No. It's Flame. The sequel to Season of Ice. --Sango4ever 23:01, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Why don't the Gameboy games have articles of their own, they ARE notable enough. Sonicfan122 (talk) 23:19, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guides coming... or not...

I have asked my favourite Spyro guide writer if I can use his guides for articles. If he says yes, some of you may be happy. If no, then just no. Don't guarentee he will say yes, this may be risky. --Rossage Sausage 21:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

No, actually not. He said no. --Rossage Sausage 09:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite of introduction?

Sorry if this seems prudish, but the following paragraph, taken from the introduction, appears badly phrased and informal to me:

"It was making excellent progress with positive reviews until Insomniac Games stopped making anymore Spyro games after Year of the Dragon and started creating the Ratchet & Clank series. Spyro could not make much success without Insomniac Games."

I propose that it is rewritten in a more formal style. My suggestion would be something like:

"The series made excellent progress, garnering positive reviews and mainstream popularity. However, following the departure of developer Insomniac Games from the franchise (after the third instalment, Spyro 3: Year of the Dragon), critical and popular opinions on the series began to deteriorate."

I would also add that there should probably be a source for mentioning the 'positive reviews', and a small section at the end about Vivendi's mostly negatively received takes on the series. Any opinions? Dragonfly888 19:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, i agree, but i dont think Some New Spyro fanboys can handle it User:Crasnex 23 December 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 06:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Television Series

In the introduction, there is a link to a Spyro the Dragon television series. Also, part of the page is used to list episodes of this series. After checking on the Intertnet Movie Database for this series, I found nothing on it and have come to a conclusion that it does not exist. I advise that everything related to this non-existing series be deleted at once.Michael Mad 19:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Then you should have tagged it as a {{db-a7}}. This is all work done by one user, clearly a Spyro fanatic. I've listed the corresponding article for AFD. --Stratadrake 17:39, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


I don't think there is a TV series. --Sango4ever 23:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Nope, Never heard of one User:Crasnex 23 December 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 06:35, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Ahem...

(Time for my daily rant.) This needs to be cleaned up. Most of them are a short plot synopsis, with "It's up to Spyro and his friends to _____." Well, that's what I think. ~Crowstar~crow calls 22:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] That link to Uncharted

I saw that someone was puzzled over a link to Uncharted: Drake's Fortune in the main article. Since there's no way I could start a talk page with an unanimous account, I'll just say that it was there due to relationships between Naughty Dog (Uncharted's developer) and Insomniac. Though now that we think of it, neither Crash (outside the Fusion mention), Jak, Resistance or Ratchet & Clank barely got a mention either.

I don't know if this will be worth the debate, but we could do with clarifying what kind of "see also" links at the bottom of the page would work out for the article, with reasonings added when on provision. Freqrexy 15:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] remove the flash games section

I believe that it should be deleated because we don't have a flash games section for other game series that has flash games —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.132.150 (talk) 01:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

yeah, most of them dont even work anyway User:Crasnex 23 December 2007

[edit] A possible romance?

A possible romance between Spyro and Cynder? --Gp75motorsports 00:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Most likely, we will just have to wait and see! Sonicfan122 (talk) 23:20, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Its a strong possibility, but we cant see any real romance yet User:Crasnex 23 December 207

[edit] "...Insomniac which sold the concept of Spyro to other game developers"

Can this be cited please? The way I remember it, Insomniac had split with Universal who took the rights to Spyro along with them, they did not sell it on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.254.158 (talk) 15:12, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I've removed this entry until this can be properly cited as its quite a major issue to get wrong. RadRick (talk) 07:21, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, I sent an e-mail to insomniac a long time ago (post-split) regarding something about Spyro, and they did state in their response: Actually, Insomniac Games didn't sell the license. When we separated from Universal, they retained the license. - so that pretty much proves that they did not sell the licence. HarukoBass (talk) 15:15, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] TLoS Movie

Has someone made an article for the upcoming CG movie? According to this film sales site, the title of the movie is called The Legend of Spyro. Of course, this could be merely a working title, but some (confirmed) information has already begun to leak in. Xlittlecloudx (talk) 06:01, 25 March 2008 (UTC)