Talk:Springfield Armory XD

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[edit] Springfield Armory XD / HS Produkt HS2000

According to HS2000talk.com, Springfield Armory doesn't manufacture the XD pistol-- it imports them from Croatia. "The XD is manufactured in Croatia by a company HS Produkt. SA has sole importation rights to the HS2000 in North America." (HS2000talk) Therefore, "The Springfield Armory XD ("X-Treme Duty") pistol is based on the Croatian HS 2000" is an untrue statement since the XD is a rebranded HS2000. Sandcrawler 09:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)sandcrawler

[edit] 9x19 mm Capacity

Though Springfield Armory lists the capacity of the XD 9 mm as 15+1, a 16 round magazine is distributed by Springfield Armory. Therefore, full capacity on the XD 9 mm is 16+1. Item Description: 9 mm 16rd S.S. Magazine, P/N: XD5016, UPC: 706397860639 Sandcrawler 18:20, 8 Nov 2006 (UTC)sandcrawler

[edit] Double-action-only / single-action

The internal working of the XD are single-action. Pulling the trigger doesn't cock anything or move the striker rearward. It only releases the trigger. However, it FEELS like a double action, probably because of the slight spring resistance from the drop-safety as you pull the trigger, the pre-travel, and then the crisp break. I feel it's more appropriate to label the XD single-action (As does the IDPA, I believe), even though it doesn't nicely fit into either category. In the community, there's so much debate on just this topic that we may have to get rid of this designation altogether... And refer to it with SA's "Ultra Safety Assurance" term. OverkillTASF 15:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. When I was overhauling the Glock articles I put Safe action as the action type. I think this issue is along those lines, even though an XD is true single action and a Glock is sort of half and half. Thernlund (Talk | Contribs) 04:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] grip angle

"wrist is held such that a 1911 syle pistol would be pointed more towards the ground" Does this mean that the Glock grip is more perpendicular? --Gbleem 16:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Glock pistols have the grip at a greater angle (19 degrees) than do 1911s (about 12 degrees). Holding a 1911 like a Glock would make the 1911 point downward. Thernlund (Talk | Contribs) 21:03, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Slide finish?

The article tells me that the slide is finished with something akin to Glock's finish, but a lot of other sites on the internet tell me that it's just plain blue steel. Are they talking about the older pre-2006 finish, or do we have a contradiction on our hands?Stevekl 20:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

All of the XD-45's, and as of July of 2006, all new XD's in any caliber have the Melonite treatment/finish/coating/whatever. It's the same process that Glock's get, only Glock holds the rights to the Tenifer name so they have to call it something different. Any info you see on the web to the contrary is either incorrect or (most likely) outdated. 'Card 22:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
That's great! Thanks for the quick information. The only thing holding me back from buying one was the talk of a blue steel slide. Stevekl 01:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Happy to help. Not sure where the "blue steel slide" references came from, but the XD was 'never' sold in a blued version as far as I know. Before they switched to Melonite, XD's were treated with a process called Burinal - which, to be honest, was pretty much crap. Some people didn't have any problems with it, but people who carry routinely with the XD against their skin had major rust problems. The Melonite though, is pretty much bombproof. 'Card 14:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] .45 GAP XD

I have heard that Springfield Armory is no longer offering the XD in .45 GAP due to low sales. I cannot see it offered anywhere on the Springfield Armory page, however, several non-official sites for the XD still list it. Does anyone know for sure. I have fired an XD in .45 GAP and found it too be one of the most accurate pistols I have used. If the ammo was not so expensive, I would consider buying it. Seems a shame to quit making the pistol so soon after the release, before it could have shown promise and sales could have picked up.SAWGunner89 14:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

The reason being is because .45 GAP is a dead/dying caliber. It was a niche caliber to begin with, but once large capacity .45 ACP polymer handguns became available, the avantage and point of the .45 GAP was all but completely lost. Glock 37 sales are low from what I understand, too. If you look at the .45 GAP page, there's not even one piece of criticism (in fact, a review by a firearm magazine that painted .45 GAP in a negative light is even made into a positive by stating that the ridiculously overloaded factory loads will be reduced), despite slumping sales and the discontinuation of models offering .45 GAP chamberings. --Sturmwehr 16:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. The .45GAP is looking more and more like an experiment that never really took off. In all honesty, the only reason for it in the first place was to allow gunmakers to cater to the American love-affair with the .45-caliber, by developing a .45 cartridge that was short enough to work in the polymer-framed pistols without major frame changes. Now that all the major manufacturers are producing polymer-framed autos in .45ACP, there's really no reason for the .45GAP's existence. While there's nothing inherently wrong with it, I'd personally avoid buying one. Over the next few years you'd find ammo harder and harder to find. 'Card 05:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rant?

  • Though some parts can be purchased through aftermarket suppliers, Springfield Armory refuses to sell some individual XD parts[citation needed]. Springfield Armory's position seems to be that with a lifetime warranty that includes repair work, parts sales are not necessary[citation needed]. Because owners cannot keep spare parts on hand, this policy of Springfield Armory essentially inserts a mandatory delay ranging from days to weeks between the gun breaking and the gun working again. This is a major stumbling block for shooters who are involved in competitive pistol activities, those who are using their XD on a daily basis, or those who may find themselves in a situation where continual, uninterrupted self-defense capability becomes very important (for example, during riots or a natural disaster with looting). Buying an identical second XD for the purpose of serving as a complete spare part set is one answer, but this approach is expensive. Some have reported that Springfield Armory will sell parts upon calling their customer service division, though the parts offered for sale are limited to user serviceable components[citation needed].

This seems more like just another person's rant than anything else. Unfortunately I don't know of a really good way to phrase it so that it sounds professional.

Any Ideas? ProtektYaNeck (talk) 20:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I wrote that paragraph myself when I put together the original version of this article. I think a few editors have tweaked it since then, but it's still largely the same as it was when I wrote it. I agree with you that it comes across as being non-neutral, and I really struggled with that when I wrote it. The problem is that Springfield's refusal to sell individual parts is unique among gunsellers as far as I know, and it creates a real, genuine, persistent problem for some owners - especially competitive shooters. For those two reasons (real problem for owners, unique policy among gunmakers) I felt then (and still do now) that it's an important thing to include in the article. Anyone considering buying an XD really needs to know about that policy, and Springfield isn't going to tell you about it before you put your money down. So the trick becomes... how do you say that in the article without it sounding like you're blasting Springfield? I don't know. What you see is the best I could come up with at the time. If someone else wants to take a shot at a more neutral (but equally informative) version of the paragraph, I'm all for it. Ken Thomas (talk) 04:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I completely agree with you. It is addressed in the correct section and contains relevant information. It just sounds like you were venting. ProtektYaNeck (talk) 14:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)