Talk:Springfield, Illinois

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[edit] Wrapping up? Nope - outstanding issues

Kranar wants to wrap this collaboration up, I think he may have moved on. But before this article makes it to GAC there are a number of open issues that still have not been satisfactorily addressed. They are listed below. Cross them off as they are done, then we can archive this, the peer review and go for GA.

  1. N Not doneShould submit to League of Copyeditors once all other concerns are addressed.
  2. Y DoneGeography section is still basically about Lake Springfield.
  3. Y DoneLooks like the consensus on tornadoes was keep as is, just as a note. IvoShandor 23:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
  4. N Not doneThe Government of Springfield article should be written and Sister cities of Springfield, Illinois should be merged with it per the Detroit, Michigan FA model.
  5. N Not doneThe history section is still being worked on, I still need to look at it too, so its partially my fault as well.
  6. Y Done and N Not doneThe pertinent points in David's table above should all be adequately referenced in both the main history article and here.
  7. Y DoneLead needs to conform to WP:LEAD and should not contain inline cites. In addition the lead should be a summary of the article and any points (barring outstanding and extraordinary claims) can be cited where they appear in the body of the article, and they should all appear in the body of the article.
  8. Y DoneRefs needed for films and a few other statements in the culture section, IMDB doesn't count as reliable.
  9. Y Done and N Not doneSports section needs to be expanded to at least mention past team names, another sentence or two on current teams wouldn't hurt. We need to make sure we have accounted for all activity here.
  10. N Not doneA couple of the subsections under Culture are pretty short, could use some expansion if possible.
  11. N Not doneThe References issue above is still mostly outstanding.
  12. N Not doneThe cityscape section is about a sentence and would greatly benefit from someone who knows the town and has the cites to back it up.
  13. N Not doneThe media section needs to mention all major outlets.
  14. N Not doneNo crime section yet.
  15. N Not doneCould use a good further reading section filled with some good books, and some peer reviewed academic articles that we don't use as references.

This is what I see for now. I have also added some images back into the article as well as created a good gallery on Commons and linked it in the see also. IvoShandor 06:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Reworking intro, original with cites below:

Springfield is the capital of the U.S. state of Illinois and the county seat of Sangamon County. Officially founded as a temporary county seat on April 10, 1821, it had its seat made permanent on March 18, 1825.[1] It was incorporated as a town on April 2, 1832 and was granted a city charter on April 6, 1840.[1] Springfield became the capital of Illinois on February 28, 1837, and the Legislature convened there for the first time on December 9, 1839.[1] Its population was 111,454 as of the 2000 census, and, as of 2005 census estimates, the city population had grown to 115,668.[2]

Springfield played prominently in the careers of two U.S. presidents. Abraham Lincoln began his political career in the city and Ulysses S. Grant began his career as an officer in the Civil War in Springfield.[3][4] Abraham Lincoln, being a prominent past citizen, is affiliated with several local historic sites and the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library and Museum. Springfield is also home to the University of Illinois at Springfield, a campus of the University of Illinois system. Springfield has also experienced difficulties, including race riots and at least two tornado outbreaks with touchdowns.[5][6] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by IvoShandor (talk • contribs) 23:15, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

IvoShandor 23:15, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I put up my new intro, if any of hte info above can be worked into it after the history section is done I will. IvoShandor 03:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
That is a pretty good intro. I say post it!--Kranar drogin 02:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
While the issues above do need to be sorted out, its not as if we used a bunch of unreliable sources, there are just better ones. I am nominating for GA now, to see where it goes. I think it meets the criteria. I will copy edit again as it waits for review. IvoShandor 11:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Many of the issues above would be more applicable to an FAC than a GAC, as is I believe this probably passes the good article criteria. And I am pretty harsh reviewer, just ask User:Bbik. : ) IvoShandor 11:11, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Most of the article falls into GAC, with some expansion going into FAC. I agree that it is ready, and am eager to see what others have to say. To see what this was originally to what it is now is a VAST improvement.--Kranar drogin 11:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I am going to do a few minor tweaks, add some refs and I should have it ready to go by tonite. Also some of the sites you listed below have articles, I mean some of the red linked ones, under different names, for instance Dana-Thomas House. IvoShandor 11:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Locator map

I've replaced the first map with an auto locator map of Illinois that places the locator dot automatically based on the coordinates in the infobox. Both myself and Kranar drogin think the new map looks better. I like that it matches the color scheme of the 2nd map, making for a much more unified appearance to the infobox. Does anyone have any comments? VerruckteDan 20:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it makes it look 100Xs better. I am going to let the people over at the Illinois Project know too, get their opinions.--Kranar drogin 21:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
It looks good. I like it better now, and one day I am going to finish this article, lately I have been caught up with this article. IvoShandor
Great work! I had thought about doing this myself, but became distracted with non-Wikipedia matters. It looks much better than what I would have created anyway. David H. Flint 16:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Places

Later on, I think some of these will need articles for Springfield. I found most of them on my Google Earth program.

  • Chinquapin Bridge (historical)
  • Coal Bank Bridge
  • Mowery Bend
  • Roby West Oil Field
  • Glasser Bridge
  • Sugar Creek Covered Bridge
  • Lindsey Bridge

Forgot to sign.--Kranar drogin 04:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Passed GA

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Good job. DoomsDay349 22:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ursuline Academy

Should we remove Ursuline from the high school list since they closed after the 2007 school year?Tinkleheimer 20:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

We can, or we can just note that it closed in the article, whatever seems good and right. IvoShandor 20:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Major Parks

It is such I nice article, I didn't want to just change it without comment. However, Washington and Lincoln are the city's two major parks, not Washington and Carpenter. The current section says that Washington and Carpenter are the two best known which is NPOV problem (best known by who?) but it is relatively indisputable that Washington and Lincoln are the two major parks. Washington has the Carillon and the Botanical Gardens. Lincoln has Nelson Center.ColinBlair 23:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

What I can say is Colin, those of us who do not live there, do not know this. So what you are going to have to do is provide a source. That entire section is going to have to be rewritten I believe with sources. So is there a park district website? I see that Carpenter Park, Springfield, Illinois was created about the park, so I will have to say provide me with sources and we can see about correcting this if this is a problem.--Kranar drogin 23:31, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
It is hard to justify with sources that Washington and Lincoln are the two primary parks, you can look through the park distict website at www.springfieldparks.org and see that links to information on both parks are on each page. However, nothing is really conclusive. One thing I did find is a refrence at http://www.illinoistimes.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A3250 that states conclusively that Washington park is the flagship park of the city. Since that is the only thing that can be backed by third party reference, maybe that is where it should be left. The problem with Carpenter Park is that it isn't in Springfield itself, it is north of Springfield and is really a nature preseve with trails and no infrastructure other than a stone-and-log shelter and two port-a-potties. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.135.58.157 (talk) 02:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History section

Nothing happened in the city after 1908? Hard to believe. Rmhermen (talk) 16:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)