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[edit] Bob Neil

To all those fans of the Adelaide University Football Club who would like to have an entry in the AU Sports Association article about the AUFC please do not just add some witty little bit about Bob Neil. I know he is a legend and like many a legend there is a grain of truth about his story. Why not write a serious article about the last 100 years of the AUFC. If you you don't know the history why not ask Fred (Chocka) Bloch, I'm sure he is still kicking around Adelaide University in the Commerce Department.

http://www.bobneil.com/display.cfm?page=bobneil

http://www.bobneil.com/display.cfm?page=history

Ozdaren 01:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HTC

HTC merged in per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/High Table Cup -- Avi 15:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Intercollegiate Sport

I have removed the reference to the High Table Cup etc. It has no connection what so ever to the Adelaide University Sports Association (It is not an event run by the AUSA, currently or historically, nor are the University colleges affiliated to the AUSA). Ozdaren 14:23, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

One solution is to rename this article 'Adelaide University Sports' and then there can be sections for the Association, High Table and any other sports event in the University. BlueValour 15:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
That is a possibility, however the tone of this article is more to do with the historical aspect of the AUSA. In any case the High Table Cup is not just for Adelaide University students. It includes Flinders University Hall and indeed the nature of the colleges in recent times is that they are now open to all students of any university (and indeed TAFE Colleges). I still believe there is no strong connection to sport at Adelaide University. Ozdaren 23:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps an article on the South Australian Association of University College Clubs (SAAUCC)? Ozdaren 23:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
An article on SAAUCC would not survive on notability grounds - only 1 independent Google hit. The fact is, that the orignal High Table article descibed it as 'for intercollegiate sport between Adelaide University Colleges'. The entry of a minority of other colleges doesn't affect the case that it is mainly for Adelaide. I am not seeing another way forward other than my suggestion above, or to leave it out of WP. BlueValour 16:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
The actual colleges themselves now have only a loose affiliation to the Adelaide Uni. Most have many students who are not at Adelaide Uni. Non the less, I would hate to see it disappear. Ozdaren 11:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
OK, to move things on, would you be in agreement if I create an article called 'Adelaide Colleges Sport', and merge in the current content of the AUSA and HT articles, setting up redirects? BlueValour 22:59, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
The art of compromise.. Hmm.. Do you mean to take the info for inter-college sport and create a new article or merge the whole AUSA artilce as well? The AUSA is in its own right quite noteworthy. Perhaps go back to the idea of 'Adelaide University Sport' and then have separate sections for Sports Association, Sporting Clubs and Inter-collegiate Sports? Any ideas from other WP members? Ozdaren 09:50, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Without compromise nothing will get done :-). Go to Adelaide University Sports to see what I propose. If that's OK, I will create it. Other intercollegiate events can be added later as desired. BlueValour 16:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Looks good. You have my vote >> Ozdaren 01:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

More changes.. Well I must admit the latest title is a bit more elegant. Ozdaren 12:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

If sources or references are not cited for this section I will delete it. 14:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC).—Preceding unsigned comment added by Username nought (talk • contribs)

I do NOT understand your blatant attacks on SAAUCC college pages over the last day. Please explain exactly WHY you would like to delete this page, or at least add something constructive to these pages. If you are looking for something to do as a new user, please add something constructive to wikipedia. Oh, and sign your posts too. ABVS1936 15:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Club Listings

I have added all the Adelaide Uni Sports Clubs Proposed Clubs Addition. It makes the whole thing look very cumbersome. What about a list of clubs separate from the main article? Perhaps just retain the 3 founding clubs and then link to the others? Any suggestions? Ozdaren 13:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Some impressive work there. If all the clubs get articles then certainly a separate page is needed - I suggest a title of 'Sport at the University of Adelaide - Clubs' - hardly imaginative but has the merit of a 'house style'. If this is created then /all/ clubs should be moved there - it would be confusing to the casual reader to leave the 'foundation' clubs in the main article and split off the others. One caveat - I don't like the idea of the list consisting of a long line of stubs. It looks unprofessional. Better to have the stubs on the talk page, moving them to the article when they have some content. HTH. BlueValour 18:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
It would be just as inappropriate to discuss each and every Adelaide University sporting club here as it would to have an article for them all. Rather, this article should be organised by sports (ie, athletics, water sports, field etc) and it should discuss student engagement therein.--cj | talk 03:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
And why would that be inappropriate? Most of the sporting clubs are quite old and have played an important role in the development of their respective sports in South Australia. Unlike school sporting clubs the clubs with an affiliation to the University of Adelaide are separately incorporated and have their own committees that operate in a totally autonomous fashion. Ozdaren 11:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adelaide University Football Club

I have spun off the football club into a separate page. Any ideas as to the origins of the content? It looks like it may have been lifted from the club's web page. Ozdaren 12:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Verifiability

Please read the verifiability page. It says, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. "Verifiable" in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source." So please provide reliable sources for the information in the article or I will delete it. Username nought 01:44, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

The pages about the sporting clubs are all referenced; as such their mentions on this page do not need to be referenced again. The remainder of the information however does need sourcing. U of A records should provide plenty of sources, and there are bound to be more than a few newspaper articles from the VSU debate - "proud history", "olympic success stories", etc etc. Is anyone registered with Newstext?--Yeti Hunter 10:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

I don't think this subject is notable enough to be on Wikipedia. Please read the Wikipedia guideline on notability, it says, "Within Wikipedia, Notability is an article inclusion criterion based on encyclopedic suitability" and "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." I had a quick look on the internet and was unable to find any sources like this on the subject. If sources like this can't be found I suggest this article gets merged with the Adelaide University article. If sources aren't found within 2 weeks I will start the deletion process. Username nought 09:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Your statement is remarkably similar to this one you left on the St Mark's College (University of Adelaide) page:

I don't think this school is notable enough to be on Wikipedia. Please read the Wikipedia guideline on notability, it says, "Within Wikipedia, Notability is an article inclusion criterion based on encyclopedic suitability" and "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." I had a quick look on the internet and was unable to find any sources like this for the school. If sources like this can't be found I suggest this article gets merged with the Adelaide University article. If articles aren't found within 2 weeks I will start the deletion process. Username nought 09:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Care to explain your reasons in real terms, or perhaps in your own words? Thanks in advance for the clarification. ABVS1936 11:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

...and at the Adelaide University Boat Club page (again, ignoring a number of sources):

I don't think this club is notable enough to be on Wikipedia. Please read the Wikipedia guideline on notability, it says, "Within Wikipedia, Notability is an article inclusion criterion based on encyclopedic suitability" and "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." I had a quick look on the internet and was unable to find any sources like this for the club. If sources like this can't be found I suggest this article gets merged with another article. If sources aren't found within 2 weeks I will start the deletion process. Username nought 09:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

--The article Nought suggests AUBC be merged into would be, I suppose, this one.Yeti Hunter 13:48, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

...and again at Adelaide University Football Club!

I don't think this subject is notable enough to be on Wikipedia. Please read the Wikipedia guideline on notability, it says, "Within Wikipedia, Notability is an article inclusion criterion based on encyclopedic suitability" and "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." If sources like this can't be found I suggest this article gets merged with another article. If sources aren't found within 2 weeks I will start the deletion process. Username nought 12:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

And as always, following a failed attempt to declare the article lacking in sources. --Yeti Hunter 23:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)