Talk:Spliff politics
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[edit] Legitamacy
I appreciate the concern for the article spliff politics, however i am strongly against the decision to delete it. I object to the comment that the phrase itself is a schoolboy phrase, as i know people and have heard people that use this expression for what is essentially, guidelines to smoking cannabis. I will accept that there are no fundamental or universal 'rules' for smoking, but i can guarantee with some certainty that anybody who partakes in consuming cannabis with friends, uses 1 or some of these etiquette guidelines. I am planning on expanding the article once i converse with friends. I assure you, although the name Spliff Politics might not be synonomous with the act of smoking cannabis (not widespread, but definately in use), the topics mentioned in the article are 100% accurate. If the topic title is the problem, i will be happy to change it.
By the way, Urbandictionary.com defines the phrase "Spliff Politics" as "The process of deciding who will be the next person to toke on a spliff - certain rules sometimes apply such as 'roler's privelages' in which the person who roled the spliff gets to smoke it first, even if it isn't his or her weed. Sometimes when someone is really desperate they will start some bullshit conversation with the person who has the spliff to try and get them to pass it to them next. It can be a race against time."
Thisnamestaken 16:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)thisnamestaken
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- I was the original editor who raised the WP:PROD on the article. It must seem like somebody trying to have a go at you, but my main reason for raising it, is that a few blogs or an entry on Urbandictionary.com does not make a word or expression Notable. Please read the Guidlines about Original Research, every article needs to be backed up by plain facts and annoted so that other editors can review your submissions. In fact I think that it was very well written. But Ganjapedia and Urbandictionary, strike me as scraping the barrel when it comes to citing sources. Anyway, its very unlikely, that your article is deleted, unless somebody raises an Afd on it. But the Afd process is very fair. good luck Mike33 18:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Content removed from the article
The following detailed content is not currently supported by any specific references, and some or all of it may be Original Research. I am thus moving it here, pending the citation of proper sources for these details. DES (talk) 23:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I put that all back in because it can be reported by a reference, if you were to read any of the books in the "further reading" section you would know that this is, in fact, smoking etiquette. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.159.193.94 (talk) 22:28, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Passing
As is with card players, the joint or blunt is passed to the person sitting on the left of the passer (clockwise). If the joint/blunt has observed a full pass of the circle, it continues that way for the remainder of the session, if a person intentionally cuts the line and swaps chairs in favour of the joint coming his way early, or twice, they are usually subjected to a heavy onslaught of comments about cheatery.
In the United Kingdom, some users employ a fair system to distribute the cannabis. In this situation, the joint holder shouts a pre-designated word, and anyone who wants the joint must be the first to reply with another predesignated word.
The pecking order for consumption can also be resolved by a fair practice in which the people who put in to it, get the honours (1st, 2nd, 3rd etc). The order is very simple: Roller, cannabis, tobacco, papers, and in tight situations, even lighters have been used to resolve the chain of command of who goes before who.
[edit] Honours
Rollers Honours or Rights, is the practice of letting the roller consume the joint first. Rolling a joint/blunt can take as long as 5 minutes, and thus, is only fair that the person who made it gets to light, or 'spark' it up, consuming the very best part of it. The only way a smoker is able to consume the joint first, is if he rolls it.
Gear Honours, is practiced in some groups, but is not always followed. There are also a few sub-rules of Gear Honours, but these are relative to the participants of the smoking session. Gear Honours basically means, if you are the only person with Cannabis and are supplying the rest of the group, all smokers are obliged to pass you the joint/blunt when they have finished their tokes after Rollers Honours, meaning you will always get the second best part of the joint. If more than one person is supplying the group, or a sober person joins the group, Gear Honours is null and void (until all participants are inebriated).
If you are new to cannabis culture, you will find that most smokers are relaxed about how they enjoy cannabis together, and look out for their peers to make sure that they are all sharing the experience. However, it is also fairly common to meet "bad stoners", or those who will steal marijuana, hits from the cannabis, or even pipes, bongs, or other items, often because they were high and were not as apprehensive about stealing, or were hoping others forgot where their belongings were stored. Unfortunately, with all drugs, it is this minority that give Mary Jane a stigma.
In some circles it is understood that the person who rolled the blunt or joint gets the first hit. It is then up to another in the circle, or rotation, to call "backs", thus allowing that person the second hit and determining the direction of the rotation.
[edit] Quantity per User
The more people participating in a smoking session means more joints must be made to componsate for the numbers. As a general rule, 1 joint is good for 2 people. If the session is in the later stages, at the time where everyone is merrily high, 1 joint will suffice for 3 people. If quantities of cannabis are starting to get low, some groups prefer to have a fair system of consumption, employing a "two-toke" or "puff-puff" pass. If a participant is eager to get extremely inhebriated, the two tokes can be held in the lungs until the joint is passed back to him, when he can then release (sometimes called 'indians'), thus extracting the highest amount of THC available.
[edit] Bogarting
When participating in a group smoking session, it is imperative you do not hold onto the joint/blunt for too long. This is known as a 'Bogart' (after the iconic actor), and is the epitome of bad etiquette. The name derives from the sometimes long and drawn-out smoking style that was favoured by Bogart[1]. In regions of the United States this is also known as 'cheifing' or 'sleeping'.
[edit] Rolling
Rolling a joint can for some, be a difficult and frustrating task, and requires plenty of practice to achieve a certain grade of quality and consistency time after time. The longer you smoke and the more you smoke, the better you will get. If someone rolls or passes you a duff joint (eg, too tight, too loose, to wet, keeps going out) it is best to quietly mention the deplorability of the joint to the roller, so as to gently pressure them into getting it right in the future. If the roller persists in creating bad or useless joints, it is acceptable to ban this person from rolling anymore, their punishment being they don't get passed to until the end of a joint. The reverse is also true, being that if someone rolls a particularly nice joint, that lights first time, doesn't go out from start to finish, and creates a very nice high, it is a nice gesture to compliment them on their fine rolling abilities[2].
[edit] Share and Share Alike
Every single person who has ever smoked or consumed Cannabis has suffered the side effects of the drug, and so it is polite to let someone use your facilities if you have them. This includes letting them have a sip of your drink, or letting them in your fridge to see what munchies you have (if any). The best way to think of it is, if you were in the same situation, you would appreciate someone extending the courtesy to you.
