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Obviously. Why wait, totally non-controversial. Thatcher131 08:31, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

After the merge some issues remained. The original article Spice Agony was better so I used that as the base. Thatcher131 02:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Spice agony probably best refers to the trial of Leto II and the birth of Leto and Ghanima. The other uses are tangential at best. More rewriting? Thatcher131 03:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dispute the term

I don't recall the term "spice agony" being mentioned anywhere in the first four Dune novels; at least in English. (I've not read them past God Emperor and refuse to even consider the fanfic his son is involved with.) It seems to me the correct term is "spice trance". Can someone point out where the term "spice agony" appears? If not this article should be renamed accordingly. Alcarillo 15:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

In effect you give the reason for your question within it: You have read only the first four books. The specific phrase "spice agony" does not appear until Heretics—where it occurs 13 times—and Chapterhouse (9 times). From early in Heretics:

"Our punishments carry an inescapable lesson," Tamalane said. "It is much more than the pain."

Duncan sat on the floor at her feet. From this angle, Tamalane was a black-shrouded and ominous figure.

"We do not punish with the ultimate agony," she said. "That is reserved for a Reverend Mother's passage through the spice."

Duncan nodded. Library records referred to "spice agony," a mysterious trial that created a Reverend Mother.

Not to worry, this is not some creation of the new authors. :) HTH --SandChigger 16:57, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate it. I thought it was a mistranslation of "spice trance" into another language, then back into English. Alcarillo 17:03, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

For the record, "spice trance" is only mentioned in Children of Dune (and many times); Jessica only refers to it as "the Reverend Mother ordeal" in Dune. Should this terminology chronology be somehow referenced in the article? TAnthony 18:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)