Talk:Spectacle (Situationism)

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Removed clean-up tone label, as there are no reasons given here.KD Tries Again 18:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)KD

[edit] references

the book itself (La Société du spectacle) is not in the references by choice? PedroCarvalho (talk) 23:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming

As "Situationism" is widely held not to have existed, I suggest a renaming of this article. Spectacle (Situationist International) is unwieldy and misses the point. Spectacle (critical theory) or Spectacle (philosophy) seem more succinct and consistent with Wikipedia naming conventions. Any other ideas? скоморохъ 00:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Just over a year ago, Recuperation (situationism) was moved to Recuperation (sociology), which is, undoubtedly, an improvement, but still misses the mark somewhat. It does, though, point toward the problem of naming, renaming, and categorizing Situationist ideas. Lumping everything under "Situationism," though, makes the situation, if you will, worse. "Critical theory," I would argue, is the best of the choices proffered, especially considering its continued use by Lyotard, Baudrillard, etc. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 01:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Right, but isn't critical theory what Adorno, Habermas, Butler etc. do rather than what Vaneigem, Jorn, Debord etc. do? скоморохъ 02:08, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, yes... but, my take on the matter is that, though "critical theory" was a creation of the Frankfurt School, the term is now used to describe a wide array of Marxist and post-Marxist social, cultural, and literary criticism. Indeed, though many would disagree with me, I would argue that Debord & Co. are closer to Adorno & Horkheimer than to Baudrillard and the postmodernists. But, this may not be the place for that discussion. The point is, critical theory may be the best term, not ideal, but the best we can come up with. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 04:46, 9 March 2008 (UTC)