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[edit] Note

Note that the original text of this article is copied verbatim from a story in the Washington Post. I'll probably get around to replacing the content with new stuff, but until I do I thought it was worth mentioning. Copyright violation is a Bad Thing, folks. Neilc 07:06, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Eh, I'll do it sometime... --Prospero

[edit] photo

It should be noted that, in the photos listed as being of "Dave" and another agent, picture 4 is actually of Dave and a German TV producer (Arnim Stauth is his name). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.161.127.75 (talk • contribs)

Sign your posts using ~~~~ Travb (talk) 00:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Farm, redlinks, linkloops

Someone reverted my edits and I don't know why. Linking a page to itself serves no purpose so I will once again change SAD to SAD. Also, isn't Camp Peary know as the Farm? so isn't the Special Training Center the same thing? except one links to an actual page? I hate redlinks so I am going to change that back as well. Geedubber 21:14, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I heartily endorse this event or product. I made the same edits as well, and they keep getting switched back. --Deathphoenix ʕ 16:02, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry if I erased part of your article.

Hi, I apologize if I edited out any of your article. I was tring to insert some facts that were published in USA today, about the post 9/11 CIA SAD, being re-tooled for more hunter'killer type operations in the vein of Israel's "Kidon" unit, which is the Mossad's paramilitary/assassination arm. The article war written by Willam Arkin. Agins I ddin't mean to erase any parts of your article I was merely trying to add to it. I apologize if I erased anyhting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.182.234 (talk • contribs)

Sign your posts using ~~~~ Travb (talk) 00:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Known in 2001?

OK, now I definately remember reading about the CIA-SAS/D some time before then; sometime in the mid-late 90's. It was on this website. I guess you could say that it was definately rumored before 2001. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.41.97.182 (talk • contribs)

Sign your posts using ~~~~ Travb (talk) 00:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This entry is factually incorrect

There have been numerous published books detailing the special activities division (formerly the miltary and special programs division (msp), formerly the international activities division (iad)for decades.

The main body of this entry comes from a very shallow and recent washington post story.

In fact, the division is one of the oldest in the cia clandestine service, dating back to 1947. Its many exploits in china, tibet, eastern europe, korea, vietnam, laos, bay of pigs, central america, angola, congo, somalia, afghanistan (first round), kuwait, iraq and afghanistan (round 2, since 9-11-01).

I refer you to the following published titles:


SHOOTING AT THE MOON by Roger Warner - The history of CIA/IAD'S 15-year involvement in conducting the secret war in Laos, 1960-1975, and the best source on the career of legendary CIA PMCO (paramilitary case officer) Bill Lair.

DECISION FOR DISASTER (Grayston Lynch) - BAY OF PIGS ACCOUNT by one of two principal PMCOs (paramilitary case officers) who went ashore with the Brigade, Gray Lynch)

FEET TO THE FIRE by Conboy & Morrison - The history of CIA/IAD's paramilitary operations in Indonesia in the 1950s, detailing the activities of IAD's Ground Air and Maritime Branches, and highlighting the roles of legendary PMCOs Tom Fosmire, Anthony Posephny ("Tony Poe"), Jim Glerum and others.

AIR AMERICA and THE RAVENS- by Chris Robbins - Both are the history of CIA/IAD's war in Laos, providing excellent bio and details on such legendary CIA PMCOs as Wil Green, Tony Poe, Jerry Daniels, Howie Freeman, Bill Lair, and the pilots, ground crew and support personnel managed by IAD/SOG/AIR BRANCH under the proprietaries Bird Air, Southern Air Transport, China Air Transport and Air America-- and the US Air Force forward air controllers (RAVENS) who were brought in under CIA/IAD command and control as "civilians" to support secret combat ops in Laos.

RAIDERS OF THE CHINA COAST by Frank Holober - History of CIA/IAD paramilitary operations in the Taiwan Straits, 1947-1955, with details on such legendary PMCOs as Ernie Tskikerdanos, others.

--- and there are many other lesser-known published histories.

It would be well worth your while NOT to rely on the Washington Post for its falacious and shallow account of "Special Activities Division" as the principal source for your Wikpedia entry.....it provides more dis-information than enlightenment. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.166.155.229 (talk) 12:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC).

FYI Typing in all caps is considered yelling, is bad etiquette, and is rude. I put your screams in small caps.
WP:BB and take the time to rewrite this section. Few people read the talk page.
Also sign your posts using ~~~~ Travb (talk) 00:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed image section

I removed the following to the talk page:

Images of CIA operators and other coalition forces including the SBS at Mazari Sharif, Afghanistan where Johnny Micheal Spann was killed [1][2]
Images of CIA operator "Dave" and various locals and reporters [3]

[4] [5] [6]

This appears to have nothing to do with the article. Travb (talk) 00:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Here is the source for the "citation needed". I am not sure how to put it on the page.

Time Magazine The CIA's Secret Army Monday, Feb. 03, 2003 By DOUGLAS WALLER/WASHINGTON —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.113.8.154 (talk) 07:53, 18 February 2008 (UTC)