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Contents 1 Nero 2 Talk??? 3 Cheesy grin 4 .............aw, sod it........... 5 Orcomimus 6 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kiruba shankar 7 XPLANE 8 Dashanpusaurus: 9 Mifunesaurus: 10 Regarding Mandarin Emperor 11 Thank you for your participation 12 Award 13 DYK! 14 The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue IX - November 2006 15 RfA 16 RfA (2) :) 17 Re: Luz 18 My RfA 19 "Protecovasaurus" 20 Did you know? 21 What the hell! 22 You helped choose Cactus as this week's WP:AID winner 23 Barnstar 24 The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue X - December 2006 25 Diplodocus 26 You helped choose Universe as this week's WP:AID winner 27 No problem 28 Sick of Dinosaurs? Try Fungi 29 Your comments on my RFA 30 Re:Saw your post on the Stress alerts page... 31 My RFA 32 The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue XI - January 2007 33 An article you can sink your teeth into (well not really 'cos they're critically endangered) 34 WP:MILHIST Coordinator Elections 35 Reply 36 Thanks! 37 Congrats! 38 Last edit 39 Hey 40 Maybe leaving? 41 Warm regards 42 um 43 Message to people who left notes & such on my talk 44 My last RfA/me 45 Riana 46 Not responding 47 Heya 48 Good bye 49 Looking forward 50 Well... 51 Excuse me? 52 Take abreak 53 your drama 54 Note of apology 55 'Sokay 56 Future

Nero

No of course I'm not annoyed with you, Spawn. You've requested admin assistance; that's what I'm here for. I will try to monitor the situation, but alert me if the problem gets worse. These things happen. Just keep calm and civil, and everything will hopefully work out. Best, Firsfron of Ronchester 02:49, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for these edits! Excellent work! Firsfron of Ronchester 01:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Sweet! :) Firsfron of Ronchester 00:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk???

Does anybody wanna talk? I miss having all my friends at my talk page. :..( Any topic will do... Thanks everybody! Spawn Man 06:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey Spawn, how's it going? I'm not going to be up much longer tonight, but I thought I'd say hi. You've been doing some more excellent work I see. —Doug Bell ^{talk•contrib} 06:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey! just tot i'd drop by and tell you to go hot wire your stereo and talk into a microphone and let's see how far you go mate! (HAhaha Juist Kidding) - hey don't blame me, you da' one who wanted to talk, and and miss having your friends at your talk page. Wiki is for you, the ONLY place you can stay 'notable'. Cheers! bro!

Thanks Ratnam, but I'm still not saving your article from deletion. I'm very notable outside of Wikipedia for things: I can outstare a cat, I can sing in D-minor, or E flat. I think... I can also blow bubbles. You should come & see my show! Anyway, thanks everyone for leaving a message. Also Ratnam, I agree, I don't think I would go far by talking into a microphone. I think I'd need to drive a car instead. Badum psisssh... Spawn Man 04:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I saw that you support the Black Caps. Would you mind joining WP:CRIC. We could do with a resident kiwi expert. Also a quiz for a spot of fun. No news from Sango, alas..Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:30, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Cheesy grin

I can't believe I almost fell for the joke banner on your page AGAIN. Anyway, I'm so thrilled that you didn't make good on your promise (threats!) to leave - we need you around here. Take care of yourself. riana_dzasta 14:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Riana, & yes, my banner is a tricky one... :) Spawn Man 04:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

.............aw, sod it...........

I was going to have one more vote (ending mid dec) on just prior collabs alone but a few noms came through and they were sensible ones so I thought what the heck and let them stand. I am not using the time out thingy so am watching and seeing what happens. At the moment anything which encourages enthusiasm and more collabs is good. New active people with different ideas. Been away, now to continue sfiting thru 500 emails in inbox zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzCas Liber 12:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

KK... Spawn Man 23:38, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Orcomimus

Expanded this a little bit off what info I could rummage up. Is it big enough now to remove from the WP:Dino's Shortest dinosaur articles list?? Thanks Firsfron... :) Spawn Man 23:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks so much for expanding this much-neglected article, Spawn! After your work, I added just a few words, and it just barely scraped by 1K. So now it's off the short list, and on its way to being a real, full-fledged article! You know, I've noticed your name pop up on my dinosaur watchlist very often these last few weeks. Thanks for so much hard work! Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester 02:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

No problems... Spawn Man 01:23, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kiruba shankar

I'm sorry if you thought I meant you. I meant the single purpose account. I though you only relisted the AfD, meaning my comment was aimed at the single-purpose account, who I though was the actual creator of the Afd.Bakaman _Bakatalk 04:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

No problemo matey potatey! :) Spawn Man 04:28, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

XPLANE

Regarding your vote for deletion: I reviewed the Wikipedia deletion policy and did not see "notable" as a requisite criteria for inclusion. I believe that XPLANE IS notable, however I petition you to withdraw your vote for deletion as it does not appear to be supported by the Wikipedia policy. dgray_xplane

Dashanpusaurus:

Thanks for the kind words. It felt good creating a dinosaur article again, as you guys seem to beat me to it all the time. This time I went mad & created Shaximiao Formation as well, the formation in which it was found. Hope you like them... :) Spawn Man 01:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I know what you mean, Spawn Man. I get a lot of satisfaction turning red links blue. :) Your latest articles look great; keep up the fantastic work. :) Firsfron of Ronchester 02:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

BTW, Spawn, did you ever request those dinosaur FAs for the main page? Stego will make an appearance on Wikipedia's main page on the 27th! Would be cool if we had a nice, say, theropod, to counter the herbivore "yuckiness" ;) Firsfron of Ronchester 05:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh yes, herbivore yuckiness indeed! No I didn't get round to it. I asked Sheepy (I think?) a while ago & he said he had requested it, so I just left them. Maybe you guys should do it, since they're yours & all, and that would be special for you. I wouldn't want to steal your fun... :) Spawn Man 00:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Nonsense! These articles don't "belong" to anyone! :) Firsfron of Ronchester 05:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Mifunesaurus:

I've been trying to add to this article, but a problem has occurred... Why in the article does it state that it has not been described, when 2 links, including the one provided, that I have found say that it has been described, by both one Heng in 1985 & one Dong? Is it still a nomen nudum or has it been described? Thanks Firsfron, Spawn Man 00:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

This is a common question that comes up, Spawn Man. Nomina nuda (the plural form) are names that have been published or mentioned without a proper and complete description. A partial description, such as a brief mention in a book or paper, doesn't count. Only full descriptions, usually with illustrations, are "counted" in modern paleontology as described. Even then, the validity of the genus may be questioned by others: a nomen dubium is a genus which is is in doubt; we've also got a category for completely invalid dinosaurs: those which have been proved to be beyond a doubt not dinosaurian: fakes ("Archaeoraptor"), complete missassignments ("Unicerosaurus"), and, as you once wittily put it, "crappy pieces of petrified wood" (Aachenosaurus).

Our source for "Mifunesaurus" does say it was described. At the same time, it calls it a nomen nudum, with a link to the nomen nudum definition, which says nomina nuda refers "to a name that has been published or mentioned without a proper and complete description."

I hope this helps. I wish you much luck on expanding this article. It's damned hard trying to expand these articles for which so little is known. But I really hope we can build each one up to above 1K, and I thank you for your efforts.

Thank you soo much for the barnstar! It's great to see the one I made come back to me lol! As for the above, I didn't understand what you said, & probably never will. Don't waste your breathe on me, I'll remain ignorant. ;) Anyway, I only found minimal info on the dinosaur anyways... Have a great day mate!!! :) Spawn Man 06:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

You certainly deserve it, after all your work. Sorry about confusing you. Maybe I can put it more simply: "Described" means "this dinosaur was described in a big, formal report, with footnotes and diagrams, and tons of info". "Nomen nudum" means "some guy once mentioned it in a book or paper, but only briefly". Easy, right? :) Enjoy the barnstar. Firsfron of Ronchester 06:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Good. Me no hungry. Me ate all day at Turkey Day. Yes, me write this pointless message. Me go now. ;) Firsfron of Ronchester 06:42, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Mandarin Emperor

Hello, Spawn Man - I apologize if I offended you in any way from my response to your comment - I didn't imply that you were the one to nkow - it was actually a rhetorical question that I didn't expect anyone to be able to answer. Sorry! –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) | Review 06:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay then! =) I have a Y chromosome too. Have a happy holiday season, as well! (By the way, I got fooled by your new message indicator on the top countless times - I truly am quite gullible). –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) 07:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's a good replica. Y chromosome is a guy right? lol... Spawn Man 08:17, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your participation

I wanted to thank you for your participation in my RfA that recently passed. I know I said on the RfA that I wouldn't be sending out thank you notices, but I decided to make an exception for my nominator and the people that asked the excellent questions on the RfA. I was delighted to have the opportunity to discuss my views, and while I may not have been able to explain satisfactorily to you regarding my views on the conflict of interest that any involvement in the article about me creates, I was still quite grateful for your question that allowed me to discuss my views on it. I think that the open discussion allowed people to make an informed decision, and that's all I could hope for. So thanks so much for your participation! Happy editing, —Doug Bell ^talk 19:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Doug. Spawn Man 23:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Award

Hey Spawn Man. I'd like to praise you for your comment on User talk:ST47, expressing your dissatisfaction for his anger outburst while at the same time encouraging him to calm down and embrace WP:CIVIL in order to keep on with his (good) work on Wikipedia. I also hope that ST47 doesn't abandon us. Oh, and your action just earned you an award. :-) Best regards.--Húsönd 02:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

		The Firm but Fair award
		No ticket if you just drive carefully from now on, would say the good cop if he existed. :-) Regards.--Húsönd 02:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

DYK!

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RfA

Woah, thanks! :) It looks like you beat Riana dzasta to it.

I think I'll finally accept this time, although I'll be telling Yanksox, my admin coach, to see what he thinks. Thank you very much for the offer, I really am grateful. Daveydweeb (^chat/_review!) 02:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Who's beating who? I'm co-nomming :) Hope you don't mind, Spawn Man! riana_dzasta 05:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Friends? What is this friendship you speak of? :p Of course not! And my list is very long because I... just like people :D I'm writing up his co-nom now, I'll let you know when I've finished it, and you can take a look at it, k? riana_dzasta 06:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, oh! I thought you were joking! Um, co-noms = 2+ people hitting RfA-goers over the head with information ;) Example here. You don't mind, do you? riana_dzasta 06:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Aye, I can't take that away from you :) I've been promising to nominate him for so long, too... *sigh* riana_dzasta 06:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

No, no! I was joking :) I don't mind who nominates him, as long as I get a say in it somewhere... :) And that he gets through it, because I know he'll do a good job. riana_dzasta 06:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, to tell the truth, I was worried that if I nominated him, it would look like I was doing so because I'm friends with him... so I'm really happy that someone else thinks he'll do a good job too. riana_dzasta 07:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Heh, at 4 FAs you're worried about edit counts? ;) riana_dzasta 07:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Heya, I'm going to accept -- two nominators is quite enough to convince me that it's a good idea, although I'll try to get a response from Yanksox before too long. I'll just wait for Riana to finish writing her co-nom if she wants to, then I'll answer the questions and post it. :) Thanks! Daveydweeb (^chat/_review!) 07:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Co-nom written. Lemme know if it's OK and if I left anything out. riana_dzasta 07:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Hehe, I only watch cricket really (it's the Indian in me) but yes, we gave you guys a well-deserved thrashing ;) But yeah, I guess there's some consolation for you guys :) riana_dzasta 08:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

RfA (2) :)

Hey Spawn Man, you've certainly been busy over at RfA ;) Thanks so much! Unfortunately I'll have to decline at this point, as - for a variety of reasons - I don't think it would be completely feasible for me to run at this point, mainly because I'm rather busy in real life right now (post-exam mania) and don't think it'd be quite right for me right now. I wasn't really planning on running until April/March of next year, so this is a little unexpected :) Thanks all the same, I'm glad you think I'm doing a good job, but I feel that if a person isn't completely ready for adminship themselves, they'll likely do a pretty poor job of it. Thanks again :) But not this time. I hope you understand. riana_dzasta 02:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Awww, that's sweet of you! :) hugs I definitely would like to run at some point, so I'll let you know when that point comes :) But not quite yet. Just... doesn't feel right. riana_dzasta 03:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Heh, I'll explain. Basically RfA is, ostentatiously, NOT a vote. It's a discussion. Votes are not votes, they are discussions, arguments or opinions. But it's pretentious to say argument, discussion, opinion etc, so people tend to call them !votes. Meaning, votes which are not votes. It's... strange :) riana_dzasta 06:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

No worries. I don't even know if that's the correct explanation, but it's... my interpretation... and it's working for me right now :) riana_dzasta 08:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Luz

Hmm, I can't quite figure out what's going on here either; but I'd say that the two pages can probably be merged with no ill effects. ;-) Kirill Lokshin 05:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Oh, the humanity! I had my doubts about accepting a nomination for a second RfA, but even I couldn't have predicted the stir it caused as it drifted to the ground in flames! Still, it was as educational as ever. Thanks for your input; it will be on my mind as I continue to edit Wikipedia, and perhaps I will have earned your support if another nomination comes around. Kafziel Talk 15:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

"Protecovasaurus"

This one's a bit of a mess, which is my fault. I'm headed to class, and will not have time for a few hours, but I've done some quick corrections. Nomina nuda don't get taxoboxes, and, as you said, it's no longer considered an ornithiscian anymore (or even a dinosaur), so more work will definitely be needed. Good catch! Yours in haste, Firsfron of Ronchester 00:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Alright, turns out, Dinodata is out of date. Protecovasaurus has been formally described since 2004. So, the taxobox goes back on, and I've fixed the rest. Thanks for your work on this one; it sure had me confused. The article is now 1.5k and has been officially removed from the short list! Woot! 1 more down, 66 to go! Firsfron of Ronchester 07:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you know?

On 30 November 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mount Kirkpatrick Formation, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

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What the hell!

There's nothing wrong with this article! Have you seen the hundreds of "List" pages for the Simpsons? This is exactly the same, so leave it alone. --SilvaStorm

I've blocked SilvaStorm for 1 hour. —Doug Bell ^talk 01:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Ya, just saw this after I finished placing a post on your talk... :) Spawn Man 01:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

For one thing, I am not a friggin girl! So please stop referring to me as "her". Secondly, I am not a "disruptive user", I just get pissed off when I make an article and before you know it, it's up for deletion. I'm sure you understand this. Another thing is that I could have easily added more to that article if it would save it from deletion, so why couldn't you have said that to me in the first place? And by the way, Lost isn't just a flashback, 60-70% of each episode is on the island. So please, lay off me and stop saying stuff about me behind my back. --SilvaStorm

Obviously 1 hour wasn't long enough for you to cool down huh? Anyway, your name sounded feminine, so sorry about the confusion. Heck, I thought Sango was a boy for a year... Anyway, yes you are being a disruptive user. Secondly, nothing could really have been done to save your article from deletion. Every episode has a flash back, so you would have listed every epsisode there. As I said, in this state, one may have just used an episode list. Also, I was not the one who nominated it. I think it was also prodded, but you deleted the prod? I may be wrong, but that tells you the article is in violation basically... Lastly, I'm not "laying into you". We don't have backs on Wikipedia to talk behind, only talk pages where we can choose to place comments or not. I was merely talking to Doug, as you were blocked. If you hadn't gotten yourself blocked after reacting angrily to my nice posts, then I would have happily continued our discussion. Anyway, I hope you can stay out of trouble from now on... Thanks, Spawn Man 01:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

You helped choose Cactus as this week's WP:AID winner

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Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		Here's a barnstar to your good humor that you carry whenever you edit Wikipedia. Diez2 01:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

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Diplodocus

(gasp, splutter).......gotta...get..over...the....line....

But seriously, I nominated Diplodocus and voting seems to have stalled a bit. If you can't support it then offer some constructive criticism. 1 month between noms seems like a good interval until interest picks up. Triceratops is the current collaboration and should get some interest once Diplodocus candidacy resolves one way or the other...cheers Cas Liber 11:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

You helped choose Universe as this week's WP:AID winner

Thank you for your support of the Article Improvement Drive. This week Universe was selected to be improved to featured article status. Hope you can help.

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No problem

Lol, no problem at all. No shame should be felt, 'twas only a mistake. I'm the one that should be ashamed since I fell for your message box ploy! Regards, Deyyaz ^{[ Talk | Contribs ]} 03:43, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Muahahahaa!! Yes, I lure editors here with my siren song, only to watch them as they crash their ship on my message box's jagged rocks!!! Muahahaha!!! Erm... Maybe a bit OTT, but it was dramatic don't you say? Thanks all the same... :) Spawn Man 03:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Sick of Dinosaurs? Try Fungi

DYK there are no fungal Featured Articles on wikipedia at all? I've modelled this on the dinosaur collaboration which has yielded a few FAs. Please have a look and cast your vote and we'll try a concerted attempt at an FA. Link here......Fungi Collaboration

(hope I got all the templates right...) cheers Cas Liber 03:29, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The main thing is getting people who are familiar with getting things to FA standard as the info is all there on a few pages, its just that on a few it doesn't 'sit' well - reminds me of the problem when I first nominated Stegosaurus and it just didn't sit right but I couldn't make it work. Amanita muscaria (which would be my favourite) is a bit the same. Cas Liber 06:25, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Your comments on my RFA

Hey Spawn Man, just wanted to quickly say thanks for your comments on my RFA. Despite you opting for oppose (which I fully understand), you were generous enough to let me know why you were leaning that way. I'm also appreciative of your comments to some of the other oppose votes. I think there's something a bit stinky in the system if the so-called "RFA etiquette" means responding to oppose votes is frowned upon and causes a number of oppose votes in itself. Still, each to their own. As for the name, well yeah, I'll change it, but since it's my global internet username, it's going to take some getting used to. Personally, I prefer ParakeetPoker...! Anyway, cheers again for your time and interest. Budgiekiller 07:57, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

For your interest, I've applied to have my username changed to BK. Hope that'll help! Budgiekiller 08:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Re:Saw your post on the Stress alerts page...

Awww!! Thank you soooooo much for offering!! I'd really like to talk about my stress here . . . so, just reply back on my userpage!

WereWolf 14:34, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'm really sick of all the incorrect information on that article. I'm the only one that reverts it, and then, two minutes later, it's back up again. I even received a personal attack from the user that kept adding the incorrect information. I don't know what to do, since I'm a major Wikiholic. :| WereWolf 14:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

My RFA

Hey, thanks for participating in my recent RFA. You were amongst a number of editors who considered that I wasn't ready for the mop yet and as a consequence the RFA did not succeed (69/26/11). I am extremely grateful that you took the time to advise me on to improve as a Wikipedian and I'd like to assure you that I'll do my level best to develop my skills here to a point where you may feel you could trust me with the mop.

I've been blown away by the level of interest taken in my RFA and appreciate the time and energy dedicated by all the editors who have contributed to it, support, oppose and neutral alike. I hope to bump into you again soon and look forward to serving you and Wikipedia in any way I can. Cheers! The Rambling Man 19:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC) (the non-admin, formerly known as Budgiekiller)

I very much appreciated your calm words and level-headed approach to a number of the opposers, despite voting oppose yourself. Thanks again. The Rambling Man 19:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

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An article you can sink your teeth into (well not really 'cos they're critically endangered)

Given you're a kiwi, thought you may like to help Kakapo stay featured as its undergoing review at the moment. It got a gong before inline reffing was a necessity. it shouldn't take much to get it over, just some more reffing and some assessing of the huge conservation bit. cheers Cas Liber 09:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

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Reply

Right then. Between now and yesterday I have been busy and was out all last night so had no opportunity to deal with the kids books issue. I was planning to deal with it soon and Raul beat me by annoucing the FA stuff. The other discrete commnet you made that could be acted upon we discussed and as I pointed out I was loath to make lots of small sections having been criticised for it before. Also, when you come in at the end with new stuff it struck me as a delicate situation after some extensive touch ups with some other objectors in the nomination. As far as some vague "could be better" comment well I confess I couldn't really act upon that. I also think you really need to take a look at your attitude, the negativity is really starting to get me down - if I or someone else were to write some of the things you've written I'm sure we'd never hear the end of it. I (and others) have tried to be as diplomatic as possible and resent being patronised.

I do think you've got a lot to offer and yes I can be a bit of a "near enough is good enough" sort of slob at times which is why I feel I work best in collaboration with others, espeically with people who have more of a perfiectionistic streak (and I mean that as a strength not a weakness) and do look forward to working on fungi and NZ parrots and stuff. I am just a bit busy with life off the computer too. Cas Liber 22:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Spawn Man! There seems to be a disconnect here. The comment in question is Factual children's books about dinosaurs generally contain material on Triceratops, with at least two featuring it in combat with Tyrannosaurus, generally as a climactic episode toward the end of the book. Finding books which don't have the climactic battle won't prove the statement incorrect, as it doesn't state most children's books have it, only that at least two do. If you can find a better way to phrase this, I hope you will improve the disputed sentence; you've got a long history of FAC contributions, and I was glad to work with you on Tyrannosaurus. No reason you can't fix this, too. :) Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester 22:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Well I don't see why a phrase can't be said like: "A reoccuring theme in children's dinosaur books is a final showdown or battle between the Triceratops & T. rex. As such these two dinosaurs are often depicted & thoguht of as natural enemies." Then we could slot the text about that show "The truth about killer dinos" & how the guy found about the reality from this sort of fight? Sounds good to me, will post to you both as the current sentence just isn't working too well & could confuse people... Spawn Man 22:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Spawn Man,

I really like the change you suggest. It seems a bit clearer. Could we go with something like "A recurring theme in children's dinosaur books is a final showdown or battle between Triceratops and T. rex. These two dinosaurs are often depicted as natural enemies, though it is not clear whether the two battled the way they are commonly depicted."? Firsfron of Ronchester 23:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I will reiterate: I like the sentence you have coined and agree with the other stuff. As far as attitudes it is clear you feel that you have said or done nothing wrong at all and I am completely at fault. Therefore it is pointless carrying on any discussion on the matter - let's move on. cheers Cas Liber 23:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

On the contrary Cas, I don't feel you are at fault for anything at all. I just wanted my comments to be better recepted. Other than that, I'm glad we can come to an agreement... :) Spawn Man 00:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the nomination offer, Spawn Man :) I'm going to be really on and off for the next week and a bit, so do you mind if I think harder about it after that? I promise I'll think about it more seriously this time around :) Take care, riana_dzasta 11:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Congrats!

Congrats on 7K edits, Spawn Man! :) Firsfron of Ronchester 00:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I've got a bad case of Editcountitis, as you may have noticed. It's catching, I think. ;) Firsfron of Ronchester 00:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

You're 1597 on this list, and moving up! (I'm #254, but who's counting? ;) Firsfron of Ronchester 00:24, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, they don't update it regularly because they don't want people editing just for the sake of editcounts, so it only gets updated infrequently. Still, I always try to make sure my milestone edit (1K, 2k, etc) is on a dinosaur article. Hey, if we keep talking, we'll get our editcount up to huge proportions. ;) Firsfron of Ronchester 00:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

You mean I can't talk you into a few hundred more comments to get your edit count higher? ;) Firsfron of Ronchester 00:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

OK Firsfron of Ronchester 00:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I'll behave now. (BTW, I just knew Hagermanbot would stick its nose in before I finished my comment). Firsfron of Ronchester 00:47, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

"Not much to write about"? When there are hundreds, if not 1,000 dinosaur articles that need expanding? Are you serious, Spawn? Firsfron of Ronchester 00:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Deal. :) Firsfron of Ronchester 01:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Last edit

You once extended to me the honour of your last edit. I now extend you the same courtesy, for you've been the truest friend I've had on here. Please don't allow all the bullshit to corrupt or change you. Our charachter defines us as much as our deeds, and you are have quite a charachter:) --R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 04:17, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Hey dude, don't let it get you down, please! Wiki needs you way too much. I know people leaving does suck, and it sometimes looks like there are a lot of reasons to leave, but I think there are a lot more reasons to stay. Things seem to be a bit hectic around here lately (New Year's resolutions, maybe :) ) and I'm not even going to begin complaining about all the stuff keeping me busy right now, but once it's all over, we'll catch up, I promise :) With all those dinosaur stubs that need expanding, you can't possibly leave! (And besides, who's gonna keep pushing me towards RfA if you go? :p) Cheer up, hun. riana_dzasta 07:37, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, I really don't see where you get the idea that nobody likes you. Riana probably said it best that there are lots of reasons to stay. Please don't take it personally if other people are a bit absorbed by other matters. We do care for you. --Kyoko 07:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey my fellow Kiwi can't up and leave here - there's hardly any of us as it is! Seriously, don't go, maybe take a wikibreak for a day or two (or a week or two like I just did) and come back... but you're too valuable for me to let go without a fight! :) Have a think about it, but dont make any rash decisions okay... we need ya here! Glen 12:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

You are so cool!!! I (and Wikipedia) would hate to see you leave :(. The best thing to do is just take a wikibreak and just let things work themselves out. BTW who left? ~ Arjun 23:56, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Maybe leaving?

My best friend on Wikipedia just left & I'm kinda depressed. Don't know if I'm gonna stay here. All my "friends" never message me cause they're all too busy. I've just realised nobody likes me on here anyway, so what's the point of staying. Just letting you all know. Don't know what I'm doing right now, so yeah, I don't know... Spawn Man 07:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

What's the point of leaving when there are still 1,169 dinosaur articles left to get up to Featured Article (or even Good Article) status? I know you said you don't like "icky" ornithischians, but that still leaves 538 theropods, any one of which could stand to use 10 or 12 references (enough to get them up to GA status at least). You've nearly singlehandedly gotten dinosaur articles up to Featured Status. It seems to me you'd have no problem getting several articles up to GA. Just friendly suggestions on why you should stick around, if the above comments don't convince you. :) Firsfron of Ronchester 00:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey Spawn Man, I'm never too busy to talk to someone who needs a friend. :) —  $PЯINGrαgђ  04:14, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Warm regards

Hey there; I've noticed you're contemplating leaving - don't go! We do want you here; if you leave, Wikipedia's integrity drops a notch. You are wanted here, and we would never wish to see you leave. If you ever want a chat, drop by my talk page - here or at simple - and give me a nudge!

Kind regards,
Anthonycfc ^{[T • C]} 01:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't go! I need you. Dfrg.msc 23:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

um

You could at least have your edited pages on a watch list - then you'd never get bored - vandal patrol! snow leapard which you have worked on just got vndlsed - SatuSuro 00:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Message to people who left notes & such on my talk

Thanks for your kind words! I took one of my infamous Wikibreaks & am doing just fine now. I'd prefer not to talk about the leaving of my friend, but I probably over-reacted anyway. It seems so hard to remove emotions from this place & it feels horrible when something goes wrong on here. Who would have thought editing an encyclopedia would be so emotional eh? I mean, I wonder if the techs at Encarta or Brittanica get all choked up everytime someone goes on holiday or deletes their sentence. Anyway, thanks again for the kind words & I hope I can get back up to full edits again some time soon.... :) Spawn Man 09:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC) P.S. Darn, someone deleted my Lemming picture!

I'm glad you're feeling better. Having worked at Brittanica, I can say that we did not have that issue. Perhaps it's not the activity, but your approach to it. I would like to see you achieve a more even keel in editing here for your own sake—the emotional swings you seem to go through seem pretty hard on you. —Doug Bell ^talk 09:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

A somewhat cryptic message? I was talking in general about Wikipedia's raw emotion, but yes, I get your jist. I don't feel I'm that emotional. I've been pretty good lately, but this was pretty upsetting. Anyway, I don't take my own actions to heart, sure I may get sad, but a lil' emotion never hurt anybody. ;) C ya around DB. Spawn Man 09:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back! Now, no disappearing again... :) riana_dzasta 11:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back! --Kyoko 12:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, good to see you are sticking around. Drop me an email if you want some more dino articles for writing WP articles. --Peta 04:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

My last RfA/me

Hi Spawn Man! You opposed my last RfA in late November 2006. There were opposes citing civility and inexperience with policy. It's about 3 months after that, and I think I've gained more experiance in policy and more emotional stability on-wiki. Recently I've been doing a bit of Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam stuff, though this last week I haven't had a great deal of time. Anyway, I was considering an RfA in a month or two, and I wanted to ask a few people if they had any recommendations as to what I should to or criticisms over the last few months. Thanks for reading! ST47Talk 01:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Riana

Just a heads up regarding an RfA for Riana as we were discussing this a couple weeks ago, I've just renominated her - hopefully this time she accepts! :) Glen 07:03, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I won't even go there............... ...................... .......................... .................... ............. Spawn Man 21:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey Spawn Man, what's up? I know I've been a dick, my mind has really been distracted lately, too much RL... stuff going on. My dad's pretty sick, and I've just been messed up thinking about stuff (holidays - not enough other things to think about). Anyway, you don't have to respond, but I really am sorry. If my heart had been in this a little more I would have made sure to badger you until you put your co-nom in, I promise! But... yeah. I'm really sorry. riana_dzasta 23:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, but I hope you realise that so long as we're talking 'ignoring other people's feelings', my dad is dying in hospital. That's all. Anyway, it's your choice, obviously, so I'm not going to try and change your mind. Take care, riana_dzasta 00:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry. riana_dzasta 00:38, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Not responding

I am currently not responding to any messages here as I'm far too angry & I definitely don't want an arguement or for me to take my anger out on anyone else or have it affect my judgement so that people later down the line can use it against me. Will be on, but answering machine will pick up. Just thoguht you all should know... Spawn Man 22:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

(hugs tight) Keep it cool, my friend.

(had to laugh) Here, tell you what. If I ever wanted to get to WP:500 in oppose votes, I'll let you nom me for admin. As for you, try going outside. It's a pretty day to commune with the magic ball of fire, you know. :D --Elaragirl^Talk|Count 23:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Heya

Hey, thanks for the message :) I'm still around, just rather quiet at the moment. How about you? -- Daveydweeb (^chat/_review!) 23:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Good bye

After your rampage of incivility on the way out the door, assuming the worst faith in simple actions by others, I can't imagine that being here is making you happy. Hope you find something that does make you happy. —Doug Bell ^talk 06:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah yeah, ignore your incivility. You should make president the roll you're on. Spawn Man 06:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey Spawn Man, I know you won't be interested, but I want to leave you a message anyway. I don't think you're being very fair and your messages seem increasingly irrational. There's no reason why you couldn't have added your nomination after the !voting had started. I added mine hours after it was listed and 21 people had already voted. [1] You could have done the same thing. Sarah 07:54, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

You're right, Sarah! 100%! Numero uno! I'm not at all interested... Always welcome to provide some comic relief on matters... Spawn Man 08:10, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Indeed, Sarah is right that you can; in fact, when I accepted my RfA late last month, I had a few co-nominations. After that, more than double the original number were added. You can add your co-nom even if it is after the candidate has been accepted, as evidenced by that. Daniel.Bryant 08:11, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Geez, people just don't get it. that's not the point. My leaving has been coming a long time. People sound generally relieved to hear I'm going. It was the way that Glen totally knew what I wanted & totally ignored it. To add insult to injury, he even used the exact same support wording as me. Then for Riana to sit back as all her admin friends told me all those hurtful things I've mentioned on her talk page, that is unforgivable. And those were admins, not usual editors. And you know what's going to happen now? Everyone's gonna go, "C ya Spawn!" & go, "Aww, Riana, I'm really sorry about your dad, & Spawn just blew everything out of proportion". No one gave a shit when my mum was in hospital nearly dead, did they? Look back in my archives, not one aww sorry. Then her admin friends are gojng to accept her as a new admin & no justice is going to come of all the hurtful things they said. they are meant to be civil, but they weren't. In fact this has hardly anything to do with me actually complaining about not getting to nominate. I've probably lost the respect of everyone now, because everyone lsitens to what the admins say. It doesn't matter that I provided all the hurtful things they said to me & the fun they made when I was being perfectly civil. No, it only matters that Riana's feelings were hurt. Nobody cares about mine. So becasue of all this, it is probably best I go. I mean what am I staying for? I'm never going to make adminship, geez I only have 4 FA's. If you have no FA's or GA's like Riana, you get through because of who you know. Me, geez, nearly 1 & a half years hard work & because I'm not likeable I'm never going to make it. A bit lop sided. And Riana isn't the only one. I'll be answering all posts directed at me, but I'm going to leave soon. Just thoguht I'd make my point before I do.... Spawn Man 08:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

All I can say Spawn is that if anyone spends the time to read through all of these exchanges it will become obvious who is saying the hurtful things. Everything is about you, isn't it? You go on and on (without actually going) and it's all about you—who didn't do this for you or say that to you and how terrible we all must be because of what poor Spawn Man didn't get and we must all hate him so. You have your outbursts, making hurtful comments about others, yet it's all about you. Everyone is supposed to tiptoe around you and you can be irrational, spiteful, and self-centered and then we're all supposed to come by and say "Oh please don't go!" Your comment up above mocking Riana's situation with her dad makes me sick. Grow up. —Doug Bell ^talk 08:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I was going to stay out of this, but... Spawn Man, have you considered the possibility that people forgot, or made a mistake? It can be difficult to coordinate things when we Wikipedians are scattered across the globe. I sincerely believe that nobody deliberately excluded you from the co-nom and that they didn't want to hurt your feelings. In the larger scheme of things, a co-nom on a Wikipedia RfA is a tiny, a miniscule, a infinitesmallly trivial thing. Riana's dad is seriously ill. You yourself have said that your mother nearly died. How does being left out of an RfA co-nom compare to those?

Please step back, put yourself in the shoes of another person, and reread all the comments that you have written. I am sorry that you feel hurt, but other people are hurting too. --Kyoko 08:58, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow, Doug, that was really hurtful. I shall leave as you request. I wasn't mocking, only pointing out that cases differ between popular & unpopular people. I don't want & never asked for "Oh please don't go" messages & said they would only be fake. It's not all about me & all of you have been saying that it is. I have no choice now but to fall on my own sword cause there's no way I'm returning back like this & to all this hostility. It's not even about the RfA. I've left a note at Jimbo's talk page that clearly & calmly explains all my feelings on the matter if anyone cares to read what I actually think. Doug, etc, don't bother posting any more hurtful messages here, they won't be read & you'll be wasting everyone's time. Goodbye. Spawn Man 09:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Looking forward

Dear Spawny, consider this as an option (as opposed to just leaving which I can tell you're really ambivalent about as you clearly miss lots of aspects about wikipedia). You keep getting more and more worked up by communications on talk pages (whether justified or not - note I don;t want to get into an argument over causation and whose fault anything is, just try and find a way to look forward).

You have done some good FAs and are clearly good at it so why not stick to editing only mainspace and talk pages of mainspace articles for a fixed period of time (sort of like Vipassana by editing alone), until you feel rejuvenated (which I'm sure you will). cheers Cas Liber 10:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I would second this. I have found that the best thing for editors to do is edit...your contributions to FA's and related work are not unappreciated.--MONGO 10:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Ditto to that. I respect someone who is talented enough to write so many FA's. ~ Arjun 13:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Yah man, please stick around and edit. Your contributions are appreciated, and you may find that after everybody calms down that things will turn out fine. Everybody does not want you gone... in fact, maybe one or two people at best. Maybe. I'm not familiar with your situation, but from what I've seen I think things have been blown a bit out of proportion. Please stay. I think you'll find that once things calm down you'll remember the real reasons why you love editing Wikipedia so much. – Lantoka (talk) 21:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't want Spawn Man gone. I just want his unacceptable behavior to stop. —Doug Bell ^talk 21:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

A sentiment I think we can all agree with. Spawn Man, what happened? From the contributions, all I can see is a bunch of stuff about RFA: someone nominated someone else without you, and you believe RFA is a popularity contest. I don't understand this outburst. You've made so many excellent contributions to the encyclopedia. If you really are leaving, thank you for your hard work over the years. Firsfron of Ronchester 22:12, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't want you gone. Probably doesn't count for much, but there you go. riana_dzasta 01:28, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Well...

I'm not going to put a sob story of "Please come back" here, but I will tell you I will miss you. I'm sorry the reasons for your going are what they are, and that I can't really help much. I really wish I could, but if I don't know you in real life, it's hard, and I don't want to risk messing it up for you. Please take care of yourself. I wish you the best. —  $PЯINGrαgђ  23:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me?

I havent said a word about nor to your in three days. Read your talk page, can you see a single other post from me? Glen 04:15, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Take abreak

This is just a website...not your life...so relax. You have done some great work on FA's and related things...so the best thing to do is understand that we all have a niche here and if you just forget about what happened last week and pick another article that needs improvement, you can get back into your groove. Sorry for the unsolicited advice and Best wishes.--MONGO 05:31, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello Spawn Man, how are you? I'm afraid I can't see that anybody has blocked you. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I didn't block Spawn Man (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log), I blocked Bob The Lemming (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log). This account was autoblocked for editting from the same IP. —Doug Bell ^talk 05:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

The block is for 48 hours. I'm not planning on unblocking Bob The Lemming (talk • contribs • count) so you'll need to get another admin. I think the break might be good for you (and "your brother"). —Doug Bell ^talk 05:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

your drama

[2] Look at the dates: No one had said a single word about you for days. Is that the problem? Wikihate? Please. Sarah 05:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Note of apology

I know this is probably going to do squat for my reputation now (Not that I ever really had one), but I thought I'd leave a note of apology to everyone involved in my recent actions. An explaination is in order too. First off, I had a bad real life situation, that I really don't want to talk about, on the day this all started. I shouldn't have edited on Wikipedia afterwards, but I did. When I saw the situation with Riana's RfA, it kind of set off a build up of unvented anger at my situation & it was un needed. My whole tyraid had very little to do with the RfA, but I guess I took it out on that angle anyway. The way I was handled could have been better, but I wont go there in threat of making this sound like a back handed apology. My apologies go to Riana, who was also having a real life crisis at the time too. Basically the whole thing was a misunderstanding & venting process which I involved you all in. In regard to the whole sock puppetry thing, I had told my brother about my problems in due trust & he went & did something stupid on here. I don't really know what else to say but sorry. If that & a little bit of hard work repairing relationships on here doesn't change your current view point of me, then I don't think anything will. So again, sorry if I've inconvenienced you guys in any way & I hope that over time you'll think better of me. I'd love if you guys could forgive & hopefully forget & I wasn't really in control of myself these past few days. Hopefully things can get back to normal. :) Spawn Man 06:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

'Sokay

Don't worry about it, hon. I understand how you feel. As for my own crisis - forget about it, I hated having to even mention it. It's OK, let's forget about it. riana_dzasta 06:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Ditto above. We all have our little "moments" - as you may be aware, I had a particularily bad one myself - and your apology is accepted by me with a full intent of moving forward. I am a huge believer in forgiving and forgetting - "he who cannot forgive breaks the bridge over which he himself must pass" - and I hope you can return to being your prolific self. Cheers, best of luck, and no worries, Daniel.Bryant 07:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Ditto. Lets just move on. Bygones Glen 08:19, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

No worries man. I'm sure you'll handle things better from now on. We all have our meltdowns. ;) – Lantoka (talk) 08:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, of course we are still friends, although I cannot imagine what caused you to do all these things. As Cas says below, you are definitely needed here (WP:Dinosaurs is still incredibly understaffed), so I am glad you have come to your senses. We could really use your help about now. Firsfron of Ronchester 08:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Ditto; we all have probs. And we are all still friends. Have a nice day :). ~ Arjun 11:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you're apologising to me, because you never directly attacked me. I had suspected that something was going wrong in real life, because nothing else could explain your behaviour. You don't need to tell us what was going on. Yes, you made some mistakes, but we all do, and I hope that you will grow from this experience. --Kyoko 16:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Future

See? I told you - edit articles only....I was in a foul mood this afternoon but this whole exchange left me chuckling...

To whit:

Iguanodon - will have to travel the longest road of any article to FA status..it's calling you..

Amanita muscaria & Tuber (genus) - vying for the inaugural fungi as Featured articles. we could do with a good copyeditor.

Kakapo...looking better, though no-one apart from me has voted keep yet....

there is a tied vote on the dino collab page -due to be voted on by 5 days' time...

Magician (fantasy) - current FA candidate - I opposed it then tried to help out copyediting but its a big job.......

As Nike says, just do it :) Cas Liber 07:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)