Talk:Spanish Civil War, 1937

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Contents 1 Santoña 2 Santander is not a basque city 3 English versus British 4 Santander under Basque control? 5 Layout and organisation

[edit] Santoña

This edit, summarized as "Santoña in context", is pretty major and gives no citation. In particular, it removes and seems to contradict an earlier version that said "While the refugees are embarking under Italian control to the British ships, Nationalist battle cruisers enter the port and force the Basques to disembark. The Italians have to withdraw from the port and the refugees will be imprisoned." On this sort of change I'd expect citation or at least more of a comment (& better late than never). - Jmabel | Talk 05:47, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Jmabel, I have restored the missing paragraph but the reader must note that it is hard to believe that when Juan Ajurriaguerra, then chairman of the Bizkai Buru Batzar, negotiated the rendition with the Italians, he expected them to betray Franco and let them go. As this is a chronology, I will leave the text as it stands. Nevertheless, there should be a mention of the Eusko Gudarostea or XIV Batallion of Republican Army (XIV cuerpo de Ejército de la Republica) disobeying the orders of the Republican government to tactically retreat to Asturias. All this is covered in Xuan Cándano's new book. Regards, Asterion 07:41, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Feel infinitely free to flesh it out, and thanks for the citation (a more specific citation would still be nice: this article is way under-cited because it came initially from a site that gave us permission to copy, but which did not provide sources, but that's no reason it should stay poorly cited.) Assuming that it is accurate that the refugees ended up imprisoned, that seems relevant, no? - Jmabel | Talk 05:03, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I left the book in Spain but going on holiday in a fortnight time. I shall bring it back and add page numbers, etc. --Asterion 05:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Santander is not a basque city

Just to mention it. Santander was not, and is not, a Basque province nor a basque city. It's an autonomous province (nowadays known as Cantabria) next to the basque country. It should be corrected.

--Don severo 11:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Clarified accordingly. - Jmabel | Talk 22:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] English versus British

I changed a reference to English naval ships to British. There stopped being an English navy hundreds of years before the Spanish Civil War. Can we PLEASE not use English and British as synonyms on Wiki - they mean totally different things! Reynardthefox 10:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Santander under Basque control?

Neither Santander nor Cantabria were under Basque control when the nationalist rebels began their offensive in August 1937. The region was governed by the Delegate Junta of the (Republican) Government in the North, created on August 6th, 1937. The Junta's President was Gen. Gámir Ulibarri, and it was composed by one representative of the Government of Asturias, one of the Government of Cantabria and one of the Government of Euskadi. The Junta's duty was to coordinate the defense. Besides, it wasn't the Basque army (XIV Corps of the Republican Army) the ones who fought this battle backed by 'several Republican troops and militias', it was the remnants of the Republican Army in the North, i.e. the XV Corps of the Army (Cantabrian) and the XVI and XVII Corps of the Army (Asturian), together with the XIV Corps (Basque), at least until the Basques defeated the fronts, check for 'Traición de Santoña' ('Treason of Santoña'). It would be good to acknowledge Asturian and Cantabrian participation in this battle, and to describe Basque involvement in the battle more accurately.

·Pérez Pérez, E. 'Guerra Civil en Cantabria', Gran Enciclopedia de Cantabria, Tomo IV, p. 166-167.

[edit] Layout and organisation

1) Chronology jumps around between very differing events in Catalonia and Basque country. Quite bewildering. Be good to label the events up front e.g. "Catalonia:" 2) Use of "Today"... e.g. Today there was a battle. Bizarre expression. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cckkab (talk • contribs) 09:57, 22 September 2007 (UTC)