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Plagiarism

After reading through the list of deceased Spartans, it seems at least some of the descriptions were taken directly from the Halo novels. The Berzerk Dragon 05:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I only own one Halo novel, hence I won't be efficiently able to cite the descriptions. Someone more versed in Wikicoding than myself should take it upon themselves to cite the descriptions. As a matter of fact, this article could use citations, period. Amalga 04:35, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Not only the list, at least a huge part of the article seems like copy-pasted. For example this phrase "Specific risk for pre- and near-pubescent adolescents: skeletal growth spurts may cause irreparable bone pulverization. See attached case studies.".--ometzit<col> 22:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
This bit of text appears in The Fall of Reach. What is here is pretty much a verbose copy of the list of augmentations as it appears in the book. Not good. 172.192.171.92 23:11, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps somebody who owns the corresponding novels could revise these portions? Amalga 15:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Living Spartans

I looked at the list of living Spartans and added three more: Maria, Nicole, and Cassandra. Maria was in The Halo Graphic Novel, Nicole is in Dead or Alive 4, and Cassandra from the Conversations From The Universe. From what I can conclude from the information I have is that the wounded Spartan from the "FoR" is Cassandra. --King Chocobo 04:18, 3 August 2006 (UTC)King Chocobo

I have a question: you didn't look at the Spartan roster link on the main article, did you? Kidcorona 06:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

==Nicole==
Nicole is seen only in the Dead or Alive universe, doesn't that mean she is not a canon Halo character?
Maybe we can differentiate between her and canon Halo characters?
I'm removing the section on Nicole as it is not HALO canon and hence not a true element of the 'SPARTAN-II' Project.Roswell Crash Survivor 11:25, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Cassandra was @ the slipspace battle and was crippled. (in FS, citation needed) 24.107.103.220 17:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

No, she wasn't. She isn't even mentioned in First Strike. Peptuck 17:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Clones?

I've read the HALO (PC) manual and it calls the Spartans Cyborgs not clones.-- Anonymous 5:29 pm (CST), Sept. 4, 2006

What about it? They're cyborgs, at least technically, their suits are cyberneticaly linked to their nervous system to allow for a quicker reaction time. But, they were cloned, the SPARTAN project was a covert/shadow operation, meaning that they kidnapped the Spartans when they were 8-10 years old and replaced them with a flash clone, which is unstable on a scale as large as a whole human and the clones died a few years later from what appeared to be natural causes. Kidcorona 06:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

The Spartans, themselves, are not clones. They were replaced by clones after they were kidnapped from their families. The clones served to eliminate the risk of their families discovering that the actual Spartan children had been kidnapped. End of story.

Also, the neural implants they received certainly makes them cyborgs. Alexander 07:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Joshua/Vinh

The Spartan roster said that Vinh is 030, that means that it's confirmed and it's not a rumor about his number. Right? Kidcorona 06:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I changed it to reflect that. Razer of Chaos 01:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Vinh was listed in Halo: First Strike as SPARTAN-029, much like Joshua. With the possibility of a typo, ONE of them is either 028, 030, or 018. The novels do have some considerable grammar/spelling errors, so it may have been overlooked. Or it may simply be a continuity error. Amalga 04:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

History

correct me if I'm wrong, but the Spartans Were NOT created to "fight an inhuman species" as I recall from the "Fall of Reach" the spartans "Were created for the purpose of stopping a civil war that would tear the Human race to pieces". If you are wondering that's why I edited that line out

mike

It is said in TfoR that the Spartans were originally used as what you said above. The Spartan II's (John) are more Spec Ops than riot police. They infiltrate and destroy (Col. Watts?). After the Covenant came in, the Spartans were used for their original purpose until Reach got glassed. After that, John was just used as heavy infantry (kill Grunts in a few seconds) and infiltration ("Infiltrate the map room, find the Control Room and exfil.").

Spartan III's

Shouldn't they have an article or this one should be amended to include them. Kidcorona 07:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

So they do have their own article. Ignore my previous statement.Kidcorona 10:10, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalizing

Somebody has vandalized the list of Living spartans. I have fixed John-117 but I cannot list the others. Excel038 01:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

A user by the name of Ddahc needs to be banned permenently. He continues to edit this wiki article with false information. Durandal-217

Spartan I

So there is a Spartan II and a Spartan III program wouldn't it seem to follow, or precede as it may be, that there would have to be a Spartan I program?


  • There was, It was called PROJECT ORION and it took place in 2491. the first SPARTANS were deployed In order to deal with increasing civil turmoil.

There was also the SPARTAN-1.0 program, they were in the process of training the 1.0 soldiers, however the program was canceled shortly after in favor of the IIs. Durandal-217 3, December 2006 4:43 AM EST.

    • Is that from Onyx?
No. ORION was mentioned in the Flood and the HGN, and started in 2491. However it was not cancelled; the project was very sucessful, which was why the S-II program started in 2517. Peptuck 08:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The Spartan I's are the Greek Spartans from ancient Greece.

-slaps forehead-. No. They. Were. Not. The S-Is were Project ORION, for heaven's sakes. Where in all the shiny multiclored cotton candy heavens are people getting the idea that the S-Is were the Greek Spartans, especially as The Flood states outright that the S-Is were part of Project ORION in 2491? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Peptuck (talk • contribs) 05:31, 31 January 2007 (UTC).
Is there info on Project Orion? 132.205.44.5 04:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Kurt

Why does Kurt have a separate entry for when he was Kurt Ambrose? Kidcorona 20:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Because as a SPARTAN-051, Kurt was presumed dead (MIA). He was reinstated as a military personnel under a different identity, and was finally killed. So by the military's records, Kurt had died two separate deaths--one as SPARTAN-051, and the second as Kurt Ambrose. Amalga 04:41, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

But he didn't die the first time, even if it was just an accident, he would have been MIA, not KIA.Kidcorona 09:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

The same could probably be said for some MIA SPARTAN-IIs as well. However, the military records say he was killed, even though the incident was staged. SPARTAN-051's "death" is the end of the Kurt-051 character. Kurt Ambrose was the finally killed later on. He doesn't really die twice, but the two separate roles he played were killed off in two different events. Amalga 20:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Delineation of Canon

I think it would be greatly helpful in this as in all articles like it if the actual information from the game manuals and video games themselves be listed first; and all information added into the story from novels, comics and other non-primary sources be put in afterward, and labeled accordingly.

Why? While Bungie did admit that the games override the novels in terms of what's "really" canon, that doesn't mean that they need to be seperated. I don't see G-canon material being seperated from other working canon in Star Wars articles. Peptuck 08:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Nicole

I know that she isn't canon, but does Nicole get mentioned along with John's "graduating class"? Kidcorona 09:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Genetic?

The opening line seems a little misleading:

"Created by the United Nations Space Command (UNSC), its purpose was to create an army of genetically and cybernetically-enhanced supersoldiers that could face any foreseeable military challenge without the need for large-scale military action"

The Spartans were not really genetically enhanced as that implies the Spartan candidates were genetically modified before birth which was not the case - up until six years old they lived a normal life however they were chosen for the Spartan program as they were determined to be the best by genetic markers. At 13 years old they were chemically enhanced with a series of risky drugs, then eventually given their armour. Johnmcl7 01:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Corrected. Peptuck 02:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Grey Team

"Three unidentified Spartans designated "Gray Team" were too far away from Reach to be recalled before it was attacked, though it's possible that they have either died or are still missing in deep space as they haven't contacted command for over a year" All the Spartan-IIs were recalled to Reach to recieve the MJOLNIR armor Mark V, not when Reach was attacked MIL AI 2340

And? That segment is making reference to surviving Spartans, and whether they were present or not at Reach when the massacre took place is pretty relevant to whether they were alive or not. Peptuck 01:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Recent edits

I simplified Grace's descriptions down to "Demolitions specialist; killed by a Brute's high-velocity grenade. Spartan-117 (Master Chief) then detonated her armor, in an attempt to prevent the Covenant from getting the MJOLNIR technology." From the previous plagiarized and awkward description. Also, I removed the part about James dying of oxygen deprivation, since starvation is possible, depending on how large his air tank is, or if he has a rebreather.Kidcorona 02:21, 16 June 2007 (UTC)