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[edit] Ikar confusion

The article leaves me confused about the optional Ikar stage. The infobox currently reads in part: "Third Stage (Optional) - Ikar ... Thrust 2.94 kN (66,093 LBf)" Maybe the kN or the LBf is off by a factor of 10. But which? Sdsds 04:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

It should be 294 kN. I've changed it. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 11:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
It most certainly shouldn't be 294kN, that's more thrust than a Centaur. The sneaky f'ing russian forum that I googled suggests 2943N / 662 lbf. But perhaps someone could find a more reliable official source.--211.30.213.51 12:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soyuz-FG vs Soyuz 2

The Soyuz FG is a version of the Soyuz-2 rocket (they are all derived from the Soyuz-U). There is not really enough difference to have a seperate article for it, so I am suggesting that the Soyuz FG article is merged into this one. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 13:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


Hello,GW_Simulations! I work for RSC Energia, and I think that I know better what our partners in TsSKB-Progress (ЦСКБ-Прогресс) produce. Yes, Soyuz-FG is not completely Soyuz-U, but its only difference is more powerful 1ST STAGE. Soyuz-2 is almost totally a new project. Its principal difference is DIGITAL CONTROL SYSTEM, which they develop in partnership with us - we are developing a digitally-controlled version of Soyuz-TMA. Besides, Soyuz-2 has new 2ND STAGE and new BOOSTERS. Finally, I should say, that development of Soyuz-FG began by Soviet Union in 1987, while Soyuz-2 project appeared in 2000, when it became clear that everything analog should become digital. Now about Soyuz-ST. LV with such name has not yet flown - it is a modification of Soyuz-2, which will be launched from Guiana Space Center, and now Starsem uses Soyuz-FG/Fregat LV at Baikonur. Therefore, I created a normal Soyuz-FG page and suggest that you should redo Soyuz-2 page, leaving information here only about Soyuz-2.1a, Soyuz-2.1b and future LV Soyuz-ST in order not to mislead people. Best regards! Darussalam

[edit] RADARSAT-2

Media reports indicate RADARSAT-2 was launched by a Soyuz FG, not by a Soyuz 2. Assuming these are different types of rockets, can we safely remove the reference to RADARSAT-2 from this article? (sdsds - talk) 08:42, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that can go. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 17:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was withdrawn to allow discussion on the issue of rocket article disambiguation in general, not just specific cases. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 17:58, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


Soyuz 2 rocket → Soyuz-2 — Seems to be more common to include the hyphen than not to do so. The hyphen also provides disambiguation from Soyuz 2, eliminating the need for a further disambiguator. Target currently redirects to source article. —GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 23:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

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  • Oppose the Soyuz rocket is at Soyuz launch vehicle. This should be named to match - Soyuz-2 launch vehicle family (or without family). 70.55.85.225 (talk) 04:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Are IPs allowed to vote? Regardless, why should it? The majority of Soyuz rocket articles are not - Soyuz-FG, Soyuz-U for example. Seeing as the article is in British English, the title should not be in American English. There is no need to add additional disambiguation. The Soyuz article has pretty non-standard disambiguation anyway, and I am considering proposing that it be moved to Soyuz rocket. GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 07:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Withdrawn - per your post, this is clearly part of a much larger issue. I am withdrawing the RM nomination in order to persue a wider discussion of the whole issue of disambiguation in rocketry articles. I have made a standardisation proposal here --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 17:58, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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