User talk:Sowff

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[edit] April 2008

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Can you find an online source? Plus, it's pretty much trivial, isn't it? --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 04:49, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Neil, no, it is not trivial to include a viable alternate spelling of "TV". See this entry...."A Master of Ceremonies or MC (sometimes spelled emcee)....." Why is "emcee " less trival than "teevy"? I think it is political. Couch potatoism is a sort of new religion, and the term "teevy" shows it to be less than holy. People who do not read books and rely on TV as their sole, or nearly sole, means of acquiring information and disinformation do not want to see a word that have not seen before. "Teevy" to them is a sort of "ten dollar word." The Los Angeles Times is a reliable source. I am not sure if they have back issues from the 1980-81 online, but if they do, the word "teevy" would be in them. If you google "teevy" there are many uses of the word. You have to go to the 21st hit to find one by me. Sowff (talk) 21:14, 20 April 2008 (UTC)SowffSowff (talk) 21:14, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Note I replied here [1] a couple days ago. Please also see WP:SOAPBOX. Googling on "teevy" gets 1,860 hits, many of them having nothing to do with television. This is an extremely small amount of hits for a term referring to a massively common thing. --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 23:18, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Neil, I think most uses of the term "teevy" are as an abbreviation for television, maybe some people use it as a nickname, but I think the (MC = emcee) point I made is hard to dismiss. Yes, TV is the most popular way to abbreviate television, but I have seen teevy in a reliable source that has an entry on Wikipedia, i. e., The Los Angeles Times. Also, the peer pressure to use only TV is stifling and Wikipedia should encourage alternate nicknames for such an oppressive thing as the boob tube. Like I said the term "teevy" or even "teevee" as I have also seen tend to de-deify the boob tube, and that is a good thing, something Wikipedia should encourage. What are your thoughts on the term "emcee"? Do you think it should continue to be listed as an alternate form of MC, or do you support its deletion? If we are going by sheer numbers alone, then many words in the dictionary would be routinely purged every year....you could easily eliminate the 100 least-used words every year, sort of Orwellian, wouldn't you say? I read the rules on soapboxing and your other comment elsewhere. I am not sure that the LA Times is the only national entity that used it; I just know that it did. I think saying "emcee" is the correct way to say MC and that TV is the correct way to say "teevy" is highly subjective, even if a few dictionary say so. This debate is not trivial. It shows the politicalization of contemporary language. Wikipedia should try to rise above such and offer alternate abbreviations of such culturally significant entities like television. Sowff (talk) 21:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)SowffSowff (talk) 21:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree that Wikipedia should note alternate terminology (e.g., telly) but only if the terms are or were in widespread usage. You haven't provided any reference to show this was the case and I haven't found any either. Again, edits to articles should not promote your pet theories and Wikipedia should not encourage anything, let alone a point of view. --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 20:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

User:SowffNeilN, my reference was the L. A. Times (circa 1980-1981). I will see if I can get a usage from that era from them, but I do remember they did use that alternate spelling for TV. It is a shame that no other way to spell TV is listed by Wikipedia, because the deification of television enables millions of people worldwide to think their reliance on teevy as their primary source of information is okay. TV is a tacit deification of television. It is more than a mere pet theory, too. Look at all the semi-literate proles who are so easily led by Big Brother. Still, I appreciate your efforts to keep Wikipedia what it is. I will try to someday make "teevy" as acceptable in your mind as "emcee." Mark my works. Sowff (talk) 22:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)SowffSowff (talk)

Errr, did you not read this, "...the word "emcee" is actually the correct spelling - see [2]"? --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 16:20, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

User:SowffNeilN, I read it. You looked up and saw "emcee" in the dictionary. Duly noted. I still maintain there is more to the picture than meets the eye. Sowff (talk) 19:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)SowffSowff (talk)

[edit] May 2008

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